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To be fair maybe you shouldn't criticize the club so early in the transfer window in future. It's a perfect example of why people should at least wait and see how the window plays out first.
Given the fact the conversation I was having didn't seem to bother anyone at the time other than the person I was having the conversation with - the fact it took a month for people with the complete lack of ability to see a time/date stamp I reckon you're way off base. It's easy after the fact, isn't it?

Given the fact that the first reaction is to attack those who called out spewing obvious bollocks I feel like zero self reflection will be made and no lessons learned.
Ah, I didn't see you in here disagreeing at the time though (the 14th of September) Easy to poke fun at someone when at the time we had players being linked away from the club and a link via ITK of Benrahma coming in.

Being a snide wanker a month after a post is made is pretty pathetic considering anyone at the time could have engaged me in debate with the overall point I was making, again at the time of posting.
 

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Given the fact the conversation I was having didn't seem to bother anyone at the time other than the person I was having the conversation with - the fact it took a month for people with the complete lack of ability to see a time/date stamp I reckon you're way off base. It's easy after the fact, isn't it?


Ah, I didn't see you in here disagreeing at the time though (the 14th of September) Easy to poke fun at someone when at the time we had players being linked away from the club and a link via ITK of Benrahma coming in.

Being a snide wanker a month after a post is made is pretty pathetic considering anyone at the time could have engaged me in debate with the overall point I was making, again at the time of posting.
I can't speak for others but I only saw the comment for the first time yesterday. I've seen plenty of examples over the window of people jumping on the club before waiting to see how the window played out. I would rate such comments a similar way as and when I see them. I rate your comment on the time it was posted because a Benrama hadn't even joined Palace and b we still had plenty of time to do business. If the window has taught us anything it's that history isn't always deemed to repeat itself and we might actually have a great window. You obviously think you were right at the time but I don't think you should be so defensive about people disagreeing with it considering it was proven wrong and premature.
 

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I can't speak for others but I only saw the comment for the first time yesterday. I've seen plenty of examples over the window of people jumping on the club before waiting to see how the window played out. I would rate such comments a similar way as and when I see them. I rate your comment on the time it was posted because a Benrama hadn't even joined Palace and b we still had plenty of time to do business. If the window has taught us anything it's that history isn't always deemed to repeat itself and we might actually have a great window. You obviously think you were right at the time but I don't think you should be so defensive about people disagreeing with it considering it was proven wrong and premature.

He posted the day after we lost to Everton. Now I'm sure everybody wants to pretend they knew everything would work out but the reality is, we were fucking terrible that day, our team looked like they didn't have a clue, they looked unfit, some of our players such as Alderweireld looked like they were on their last legs. To coincide with this the info we got on the 14th was that Levy was getting cold feet about Bale. The ITK thread on the 14th was an absolute mess and the admins let everybody have a free for all of frustration, some of the most ardent ENIC supporters were even showing their frustration that day.

This was before we were linked with the likes of Reguilon, when we were non wiser as to what we were doing with a striker, where Bale was nothing more than a dream. I think people need to stop piling on here because his post at the time was of the same ilk as 90% of the posts that day and it's easy to have a go at somebody in hindsight but I suggest people look at his post in the time capsule that it was in and the relative mood on here that day.
 

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He posted the day after we lost to Everton. Now I'm sure everybody wants to pretend they knew everything would work out but the reality is, we were fucking terrible that day, our team looked like they didn't have a clue, they looked unfit, some of our players such as Alderweireld looked like they were on their last legs. To coincide with this the info we got on the 14th was that Levy was getting cold feet about Bale. The ITK thread on the 14th was an absolute mess and the admins let everybody have a free for all of frustration, some of the most ardent ENIC supporters were even showing their frustration that day.

This was before we were linked with the likes of Reguilon, when we were non wiser as to what we were doing with a striker, where Bale was nothing more than a dream. I think people need to stop piling on here because his post at the time was of the same ilk as 90% of the posts that day and it's easy to have a go at somebody in hindsight but I suggest people look at his post in the time capsule that it was in and the relative mood on here that day.
I'm not having a go and don't think the tone of my comments should come across that way. I'm just explaining why I disagree with the comment. It's not about predicting the future but more about not overreacting so early in the transfer window. Hopefully after this window we'll have more patience and at least wait to see how things pan out first. I do appreciate that after a loss we can go a bit over the top though.
 

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I'm not having a go and don't think the tone of my comments should come across that way. I'm just explaining why I disagree with the comment. It's not about predicting the future but more about not overreacting so early in the transfer window. Hopefully after this window we'll have more patience and at least wait to see how things pan out first. I do appreciate that after a loss we can go a bit over the top though.

Yeah I know, tbh I was more aiming it at the previous posts as your post was significantly more measured than most. I mean to be fair his post was kinda correct at the time he posted it, we needed to get a move on because the squad looked a bit of a mess and the thought was that we needed reinforcements to get through that ridiculous schedule. I mean as an example thankfully we signed Reguilon soon after and had a player of his quality able to rotate with Davies otherwise we'd have had a player deemed not ready in that spot or would have risked a Davies injury.

I agree you need to wait until the transfer window closes to assess however I know that earlier in the summer me and Vinny were disagreeing on the need to do business early (before we had signed Hojbjerg and Doherty) and I posted some screenshots of our last 10 seasons of our results before the window was closed vs after and the difference that made to where we finished. I know that that did change his perspective on the business and our need to get our key positions sorted early in the summer so they can bed in so we don't start 3 games behind, which I felt we did with the signings of a DM and RB early this year and maintained that I expected the rest of the business to be done later but getting those key positions in was important. I know some felt we were taking a huge gamble not getting in the support striker for Kane in but Jose managed that superbly.
 

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Yeah I know, tbh I was more aiming it at the previous posts as your post was significantly more measured than most. I mean to be fair his post was kinda correct at the time he posted it, we needed to get a move on because the squad looked a bit of a mess and the thought was that we needed reinforcements to get through that ridiculous schedule. I mean as an example thankfully we signed Reguilon soon after and had a player of his quality able to rotate with Davies otherwise we'd have had a player deemed not ready in that spot or would have risked a Davies injury.

I agree you need to wait until the transfer window closes to assess however I know that earlier in the summer me and Vinny were disagreeing on the need to do business early (before we had signed Hojbjerg and Doherty) and I posted some screenshots of our last 10 seasons of our results before the window was closed vs after and the difference that made to where we finished. I know that that did change his perspective on the business and our need to get our key positions sorted early in the summer so they can bed in so we don't start 3 games behind, which I felt we did with the signings of a DM and RB early this year and maintained that I expected the rest of the business to be done later but getting those key positions in was important. I know some felt we were taking a huge gamble not getting in the support striker for Kane in but Jose managed that superbly.
I actually think the window was managed well from the start. We replaced Vorm with a free transfer and hg experienced keeper. We got another right back who was also experienced in the PL. We also got the defensive midfielder we really needed. All before the first game of the season. The striker situation was maybe one that we could have done with in time for the hectic schedule but that's about the only thing that would have made it perfect at the time.
 

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I actually think the window was managed well from the start. We replaced Vorm with a free transfer and hg experienced keeper. We got another right back who was also experienced in the PL. We also got the defensive midfielder we really needed. All before the first game of the season. The striker situation was maybe one that we could have done with in time for the hectic schedule but that's about the only thing that would have made it perfect at the time.

Yeah I agree, I was adamant we needed the RB and DM before the start of the season and we did that. I thought the staggered way we did business was perfect. The striker situation may have prevented the Son injury at Newcastle but when you look at the quality of player we got and for the value, was worth the wait.
 

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I would have genuinely been happy with a DM, RB and striker. Those would have filled all our holes. Reguilón, Bale, Hart and Rodon have taken our squad up a level. For Jose to openly say ‘it’s up to me to achieve with this squad now’ tells us evening we need to know.
 

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I always felt that a wide attacker like Benrahma would have been more ideal than necessary. It would have been interesting had we pursued him if we didn't get Bale. It's not a position we were particularly light in with Bergwijn coming in Jan and Clarke for the future (possibly even Sess if he ends up further forward). We do have at least 2 players in each position now and some of the youngsters who Poch may have called on in the past are out on loan. West Ham have got a good player though and I'm glad he wont be playing on the counter against us tomorrow. It's a shame for Brentford and shows how costly it can be to not get promotion. They now have lost their 2 top players who they likely could have kept if they were in the Premier League. It will be even more difficult to get promoted without them.
 
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I can't speak for others but I only saw the comment for the first time yesterday. I've seen plenty of examples over the window of people jumping on the club before waiting to see how the window played out. I would rate such comments a similar way as and when I see them. I rate your comment on the time it was posted because a Benrama hadn't even joined Palace and b we still had plenty of time to do business. If the window has taught us anything it's that history isn't always deemed to repeat itself and we might actually have a great window. You obviously think you were right at the time but I don't think you should be so defensive about people disagreeing with it considering it was proven wrong and premature.
Two bits in bold.

First one - go back and read what I wrote.

Second bit - I was wrong about the squad being in a mess at that exact moment was I? Links to all parts, both in's and out's and off the back of an opening day fixture where besides 30 minutes of the first half of the game, we looked like we couldn't hit the side of a barn door with no creativity and a lack of direction within the squad itself ...

I'll tell you what, you double down on your assumptions all you like, but you and others clearly read what I wrote without context of when it was posted and in some cases didn't read what I wrote at all, applied what you wanted to see in it and opened up both barrels because you were sat in the hindsight seats.

Some of you owe me an apology, but I doubt I'll get one. I'll just make sure to remember that if someone posts something that if in a month, 3 months a years time proves to be out of date and wrong I'll make sure to mug them off because it was acceptable here.
 

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Two bits in bold.

First one - go back and read what I wrote.

Second bit - I was wrong about the squad being in a mess at that exact moment was I? Links to all parts, both in's and out's and off the back of an opening day fixture where besides 30 minutes of the first half of the game, we looked like we couldn't hit the side of a barn door with no creativity and a lack of direction within the squad itself ...

I'll tell you what, you double down on your assumptions all you like, but you and others clearly read what I wrote without context of when it was posted and in some cases didn't read what I wrote at all, applied what you wanted to see in it and opened up both barrels because you were sat in the hindsight seats.

Some of you owe me an apology, but I doubt I'll get one. I'll just make sure to remember that if someone posts something that if in a month, 3 months a years time proves to be out of date and wrong I'll make sure to mug them off because it was acceptable here.
You seem to have a problem with someone disagreeing with you. I do disagree that our squad was a mess at the time. If it was such a mess we would have sold more players. We've actually kept the first team squad from last season and loaned players who were only on the fringe of the team. What we really lacked was depth because the squad was lightweight which was one of our biggest problems under Poch. At the time when we faced Everton we had signed Hart, Doherty and Hojbjerg which is great business to get done before the first game. I just don't think the club deserved the criticism at that time in the window considering how things were playing out. Obviously it went to a whole new level with the boys from Madrid soon after but even before that I think we were on the right track. I remember thinking at the time that we just needed another number 9 and I'd have been happy.

I think there was a huge exaggeration (not just by you but by many) over the loss to Everton. I didn't like to read too much into that loss considering it's only the first game of the season and we finished the last season on the way up. I still fancied us to challenge for top 4 and possibly go for a trophy provided we could get 1 or 2 more in. Just 1 game wasn't going to change all that.
 
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You seem to have a problem with someone disagreeing with you. I do disagree that our squad was a mess at the time. If it was such a mess we would have sold more players. We've actually kept the first team squad from last season and loaned players who were only on the fringe of the team. What we really lacked was depth because the squad was lightweight which was one of our biggest problems under Poch. At the time when we faced Everton we had signed Hart, Doherty and Hojbjerg which is great business to get done before the first game. I just don't think the club deserved the criticism at that time in the window considering how things were playing out. Obviously it went to a whole new level with the boys from Madrid soon after but even before that I think we were on the right track. I remember thinking at the time that we just needed another number 9 and I'd have been happy.

I think there was a huge exaggeration (not just by you but by many) over the loss to Everton. I didn't like to read too much into that loss considering it's only the first game of the season and we finished the last season on the way up. I still fancied us to challenge for top 4 and possibly go for a trophy provided we could get 1 or 2 more in. Just 1 game wasn't going to change all that.
Imagine if you had raised all these points a month ago from where my original post was taken has been twisted, including by yourself.

All of the above based around the fact we needed another creative/attacking spark which we sorely lacked in the Everton game.

Disagreeing with me by reinforcing my point with a paragraph and a half of your own ....

It's okay, we can ignore point one if you would like, you didn't get it the first time and you're still not now.
 

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Imagine if you had raised all these points a month ago from where my original post was taken has been twisted, including by yourself.

All of the above based around the fact we needed another creative/attacking spark which we sorely lacked in the Everton game.

Disagreeing with me by reinforcing my point with a paragraph and a half of your own ....

It's okay, we can ignore point one if you would like, you didn't get it the first time and you're still not now.
I haven't twisted anything. I've literally just said I disagree with what you said regardless of when it was posted. Maybe the generalization of responding to a comment with a few opinions can get a bit mixed since it can sound like I disagree with everything said. It was more the other 2 points made that I don't agree with but obviously I might have responded differently at the time than I do now. Just for clarity though.

If it's true he is on his way to Palace then for the quoted money I think Palace have done alright.
I don't have much to add on this so that's why I haven't said anything other than stating the fact that he didn't join Palace in the end anyway. Maybe that came across wrong in how I said it but there's not really much to say on it. He looks a decent player but I'm not sure we really needed him so not too fussed, he would be a good for a team like Palace/West Ham though. I always felt like that would be his level much like Wilson to Newcastle and Watkins to Villa.

Leaves us still searching for a player of similar ilk and no depth.

Squads a mess.

These 2 points I didn't agree with and thought were a bit over the top. Maybe we lacked a bit of squad depth (although we seemed ok at that time after the 3 signings) but don't think we really needed a player like Benrahma. We already signed Bergwijn in Jan along with Moura and Son. I probably would have preferred a number 10 instead especially with doubts over Ndombele at the time. I think we have plenty of runners/dribblers already.

I can't speak for what others said and certainly don't want to come across as too harsh. Just simply giving my opinion on how we were a month ago. I'm sure next summer I'll be calm about our squad and then we'll have a shit window and make me look a mug though :LOL:
 
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I haven't twisted anything. I've literally just said I disagree with what you said regardless of when it was posted. Maybe the generalization of responding to a comment with a few opinions can get a bit mixed since it can sound like I disagree with everything said. It was more the other 2 points made that I don't agree with but obviously I might have responded differently at the time than I do now. Just for clarity though.

If it's true he is on his way to Palace then for the quoted money I think Palace have done alright.
I don't have much to add on this so that's why I haven't said anything other than stating the fact that he didn't join Palace in the end anyway. Maybe that came across wrong in how I said it but there's not really much to say on it. He looks a decent player but I'm not sure we really needed him so not too fussed, he would be a good for a team like Palace/West Ham though. I always felt like that would be his level much like Wilson to Newcastle and Watkins to Villa.

Leaves us still searching for a player of similar ilk and no depth.

Squads a mess.

These 2 points I didn't agree with and thought were a bit over the top. Maybe we lacked a bit of squad depth (although we seemed ok at that time after the 3 signings) but don't think we really needed a player like Benrahma. We already signed Bergwijn in Jan along with Moura and Son. I probably would have preferred a number 10 instead especially with doubts over Ndombele at the time. I think we have plenty of runners/dribblers already.

I can't speak for what others said and certainly don't want to come across as too harsh. Just simply giving my opinion on how we were a month ago. I'm sure next summer I'll be calm about our squad and then we'll have a shit window and make me look a mug though :LOL:
Yeah, clearly the board/Jose felt we needed another attacking threat (besides a striker) who came in form of Bale. Similar to finding a defender centrally and someone to push/play in front of Davies, squad clearly didn't need tidying up at all.

I'll be sure to only post when I know things for sure in the future.
 

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Yeah, clearly the board/Jose felt we needed another attacking threat (besides a striker) who came in form of Bale. Similar to finding a defender centrally and someone to push/play in front of Davies, squad clearly didn't need tidying up at all.

I'll be sure to only post when I know things for sure in the future.
I don't know whether the Bale signing was because we needed another player like him or just simply the opportunity to get a world class player. Definitely not complaining either way though.

No by all means post how you feel in the moment. I just wouldn't worry too much if people disagree even if it's some time down the line. It always amuses me when I get ratings from weeks back and can't even remember what I posted. I think Milkman was the best at that back in the day, he used to rate posts and revive threads from years ago.
 

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Imagine being able to distinguish when a post was made and then consider the point you're trying to make given the time lapse, and everything that has happened both with our own players and the players we have brought in ...

There are some proper knuckle draggers on here, the same goes for those that dished out the ratings, have a fucking word with yourselves.

Chill out, hun ?
 
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