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Racist abuse in our stands, we need to face it if it’s there.

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CowInAComa

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Name me one thing that the FLA team have said that is racist ? you need to do some research before you start making accusations, as for the Spurs fan being head of the FLA, why don't you arrange to meet up with him for a chat so you can explain why you are implying that he is a racist.

'prove that he has said something racist'. Sort of shit Tommy Robinson fanboys come out with, ignoring the very substance of their chosen 'cause'
 

SirHarryHotspur

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Apart from Jan who states he heard nothing , how many other players on the pitch heard this racist chanting other players must have been close to that corner of the stadium , so far it appears only Rudiger heard it , it certainly wasn't mass chanting. We are going to get fined for objects being thrown as that was clearly witnessed, have to see what action is taken against Man City before we know our fate.
 

rio bryan

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Seriously? Defending the FLA? The Spurs fan being spoken of above is a convicted hooligan. I think we all know what is going on with these knuckleheads.
A lot of talking but not one racist quote from the racist DFLA, might well be a convicted hooligan but do you have any evidence of him being a racist which is the topic ?
 
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Yorkshire Spurs

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Can I agree and disagree?

Anybody who is trying to say ‘no evidence, we don’t have a problem’ is a moron.
As is anyone saying ‘accusation is all that’s needed’

We, like every other club in the game in this country, have a racist element to our support.
I heard fans on the train laughing about Rudigers claims. They didn’t exactly say ‘well he deserved it’ but they were insinuating it at the very least.

Until the powers that be actually do something about all racism in the game, it’s not going to stop. Call these scumbags out for what they are and make a proper example of them. We need to police such stuff better as fans ( when it happens )

Gary Neville got on his soapbox but he has a point. We’ve just had a general election based almost entirely on immigration. Our prime minister has a history of making ignorant, racist remarks. It’s a society problem. Chuck in the tribal culture at football and the high emotions the game brings to fans and they’ll literally go to any lengths to insult and offended opposition fans and players.
Yesterday we had us chanting about Alonso being a murderer, Chelsea ‘shhhhhhing’ which is what they now do to mimic the gas chambers, it goes to show the lengths people go to and what people accept as being so called ‘banter’ ( absolute shithouse word that is used to excuse insults and a basic lack of wit usually )
What? What have you been watching for the past 6 weeks? Immigration was barely even mentioned, the election was mainly about 'getting Brexit done' as the slogan was.

I'm sorry, but this is all ridiculous. The absolute state of this country, the media, pundits, our political class, Twitter and the 'anti-racist' mob. There is zero evidence or proof that anyone made monkey chants. No cameras picked up it, no smartphones or microphones recorded it, no stewards heard it, no fans in the same area heard it, no other players heard it, the managers didn't hear it. Nobody heard it because it's highly likely that Rudiger mishead booing and jeering and because of the racism hysteria that is being whipped up by certain elements of our society he mistook it for monkey chants. Easily done in a stadium of 50,000 people making noise and chanting so i'm not calling him a liar. For him to have heard monkey chants from that distance away somebody would have to be bellowing it, everybody around the person would have heard it, not just Rudiger alone. Yet it seems that nobody else did, so how does that make any sense?

In a civilised society we wait for proof and evidence before we cast down a verdict of guilt, apparently when it comes to accusations of racism from a member of a non-white ethnic group that standard no longer applies. The hysteria and over-reaction to this is absolutely insane, its as though a fan ran onto the pitch and put a knife into Rudiger. Why on earth is Downing Street commenting on this? Why on earth are the PFA releasing such a statement before waiting for evidence? Why on earth are the media going full whack pitchfork mode before waiting for confirmation that it actually happened?

If it did happen then its madness and the person responsible should be banned for life, but what is even more madness is this ludicrous level of 'racism hysteria' and over-reaction by those with a political and ideological motive to do so. Let's not beat around the bush, that is a clear part of this from some. We have a Tory government and voted Brexit, and many who are politically opposed to these things are using these claims as a way to say our society is seeing a massive increase in racism and pin it on them.

We are now at a point in our society where even accusations of racism such as this with no proof or evidence to validate the claims seem to be treated on par with, if not worse than murder, rape, or violent physical assaults. From the media reaction you would think 'racism' is the worst possible crime a human being can ever commit. It's absolute madness, total hysteria. Shame on those of you fuelling it before waiting for actual evidence that it happened. That is not how it should work.
 

punkisback

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Name me one thing that the FLA team have said that is racist ? you need to do some research before you start making accusations, as for the Spurs fan being head of the FLA, why don't you arrange to meet up with him for a chat so you can explain why you are implying that he is a racist.

 
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CowInAComa

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fucking hell, out crawl some right wing nutters to defend neonazi football hooligan groups and denounce the 'anti-racism' mob.

Problem meet the nutshell.
 

double0

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Personally everyone of us has a responsibility to kick racism out because you did not participate in the racist act doesn't mean you are not involved.

It is everyones responsiblity to understand correct education report stand up to it.
 

Shadydan

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What? What have you been watching for the past 6 weeks? Immigration was barely even mentioned, the election was mainly about 'getting Brexit done' as the slogan was.

I'm sorry, but this is all ridiculous. The absolute state of this country, the media, pundits, our political class, Twitter and the 'anti-racist' mob. There is zero evidence or proof that anyone made monkey chants. No cameras picked up it, no smartphones or microphones recorded it, no stewards heard it, no fans in the same area heard it, no other players heard it, the managers didn't hear it. Nobody heard it because it's highly likely that Rudiger mishead booing and jeering and because of the racism hysteria that is being whipped up by certain elements of our society he mistook it for monkey chants. Easily done in a stadium of 50,000 people making noise and chanting so i'm not calling him a liar. For him to have heard monkey chants from that distance away somebody would have to be bellowing it, everybody around the person would have heard it, not just Rudiger alone. Yet it seems that nobody else did, so how does that make any sense?

In a civilised society we wait for proof and evidence before we cast down a verdict of guilt, apparently when it comes to accusations of racism from a member of a non-white ethnic group that standard no longer applies. The hysteria and over-reaction to this is absolutely insane, its as though a fan ran onto the pitch and put a knife into Rudiger. Why on earth is Downing Street commenting on this? Why on earth are the PFA releasing such a statement before waiting for evidence? Why on earth are the media going full whack pitchfork mode before waiting for confirmation that it actually happened?

If it did happen then its madness and the person responsible should be banned for life, but what is even more madness is this ludicrous level of 'racism hysteria' and over-reaction by those with a political and ideological motive to do so. Let's not beat around the bush, that is a clear part of this from some. We have a Tory government and voted Brexit, and many who are politically opposed to these things are using these claims as a way to say our society is seeing a massive increase in racism and pin it on them.

We are now at a point in our society where even accusations of racism such as this with no proof or evidence to validate the claims seem to be treated on par with, if not worse than murder, rape, or violent physical assaults. From the media reaction you would think 'racism' is the worst possible crime a human being can ever commit. It's absolute madness, total hysteria. Shame on those of you fuelling it before waiting for actual evidence that it happened. That is not how it should work.

This is a good post, as a POC this is exactly how I feel, the hysteria and over reaction surrounding this is totally mad especially since there's no actual evidence of any racial abuse as of yet. I appreciate people finally taking a stand to racism (I mean it's taken them a while to understand how deep rooted it is and stand up so well done I suppose) for it but incidents like these don't do anything to eradicate the issue because ultimately we're just going of one person's word without any evidence so whilst it's nice that people are showing awareness it's important to not let incidents like this cloud our judgement over future incidents which involve ethnic players - we don't want to set a 'crying wolf' precedent so when it really happens it's not treated with any real conviction.
 

Yorkshire Spurs

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fucking hell, out crawl some right wing nutters to defend neonazi football hooligan groups and denounce the 'anti-racism' mob.

Problem meet the nutshell.
It's called waiting for evidence and proof before we cast down a verdict of guilty, one of the absolute cornerstones of Western Civilisation. Which part of that is hard for you to understand?
 

punkisback

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It's called waiting for evidence and proof before we cast down a verdict of guilty, one of the absolute cornerstones of Western Civilisation. Which part of that is hard for you to understand?
I don't think he was talking about your post. I think we do need evidence before we punish anyone, but condemning racism after this incident is the right thing to do.
 

THFCjosh

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I sit in the Paxton and whilst being at the other end of the stadium I can't comment on the chants. However, I can comment on the moron sitting 3 seats away from me who managed to construct a sentence with a swear, homophobic slur and a racial slur. I genuinely turned around to my mate and ask if he said what I thought he said. I have been going to games for around 10 years and have never heard such things, it put a extra sour note on a what was already a terrible day. The thing is you can't confront these people because they are so moronic that they can't take criticism and their only form of response is either violence or abuse.
 

HodisGawd

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This is a good post, as a POC this is exactly how I feel, the hysteria and over reaction surrounding this is totally mad especially since there's no actual evidence of any racial abuse as of yet. I appreciate people finally taking a stand to racism (I mean it's taken them a while to understand how deep rooted it is and stand up so well done I suppose) for it but incidents like these don't do anything to eradicate the issue because ultimately we're just going of one person's word without any evidence so whilst it's nice that people are showing awareness it's important to not let incidents like this cloud our judgement over future incidents which involve ethnic players - we don't want to set a 'crying wolf' precedent so when it really happens it's not treated with any real conviction.
Why can't you just say racism exists in football and we need to root it out?

What does it matter if Rudiger was mistaken or not in that particular instance? There were fans in our ground yesterday who are racists and who hurl racist abuse. We all know that. You'd have to be incredibly naive not to have heard it at some point.

So let's use this opportunity to crack down on it, hard and thank Rudiger for raising what is an on-going issue in every ground in the country including, I am ashamed to say, ours.

As for hysteria, come on. Racism exists and affects people. Don't minimise that or you are as bad as the racists themselves.
 

Japhet

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I'm giving banana thrower benefit of doubt. His biggest crime was throwing an object towards an arsenal player. The banana skin was imo the nearest thing he could see that he could throw

Were you on the Jury for OJ Simpson Bubble?
 
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