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I'm not suggesting that he's sat at home with his feet up, pissing himself that he's conning us out of 200k a week.

Of course he isn't doing it on purpose, but he clearly isn't putting in the work required.

The difference in him and others is that he has shown that he's capable. When he has played, and in the cameos he's had, he's been largely fantastic. The problem is being able to continue for more than 20 mins at a time.

The examples of foreign imports not being up to speed differ in the sense that they couldn't perform with the speed of thought etc required. Now if he was consistently caught on the ball and tackled because he's used to more time etc then I'd accept your point. But he isn't is he? It's solely a physical conditioning issue. Yes that comes with a degree of mental conditioning too but in 7 months I'd have liked to think he'd have had a kick up the arse.

If the 7 months hadn't been broken up by recurring injury problems, then maybe this would be a valid statement. But it's not like he's been free of injury the whole time and just been struggling with conditioning is it?
 

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Lamela hasn’t got himself fully fit and conditioned in 7 years but it’s quite clear it’s not for a lack of effort. Niggling injuries lead to more niggling injuries unfortunately.

I think Lamela has at least one chronic injury, if we have bought Ndombele with a chronic injury at his age I will be incredibly concerned, again happy to give him till next season.

This is a bit of speculativw nonsense really and highly Overdramatic. He was fine last year and the year before that in League 1, hit fitness issues rarely come to fruition and was able to play consistently. This year the difference is that he's moved countries to a far better league and thus he needs to get up to speed mentally and thus physically...we've seen this before from many footballers who have come over here and needed time to settle, why is Ndombele any different from anyone else?

He isn't 'taking the piss' as you put it, what sense would it make to purposely down tools and get lazy, he's a young footballer playing at a big club with a goal to get called up for France in the Euro's in the Summer. He clearly wants to improve as he could have stayed in the comfort zone at Lyon or gone to a weaker league than the Premier League.

Biggest thing for me is his mentality, I keep saying it. If you have the right mental state then you want to do the hard yards and dig deep and subsequently get fitter...I don't think he's overweight or physically not up to it, I think mentally he's nowhere near where he needs to be.

Us personally as a club have seen 2 players I can name with ease that got to us and downed tools havening been upcoming stars, and both have admitted since that it was their own fault. I am not saying outright Ndombele is swinging the lead but to totally ignore the idea would be wrong.
 

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This is a bit of speculativw nonsense really and highly Overdramatic. He was fine last year and the year before that in League 1, hit fitness issues rarely come to fruition and was able to play consistently. This year the difference is that he's moved countries to a far better league and thus he needs to get up to speed mentally and thus physically...we've seen this before from many footballers who have come over here and needed time to settle, why is Ndombele any different from anyone else?

He isn't 'taking the piss' as you put it, what sense would it make to purposely down tools and get lazy, he's a young footballer playing at a big club with a goal to get called up for France in the Euro's in the Summer. He clearly wants to improve as he could have stayed in the comfort zone at Lyon or gone to a weaker league than the Premier League.

Biggest thing for me is his mentality, I keep saying it. If you have the right mental state then you want to do the hard yards and dig deep and subsequently get fitter...I don't think he's overweight or physically not up to it, I think mentally he's nowhere near where he needs to be.

Not overweight? In that recent photo he looked like Bernie Mac
 

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I think Lamela has at least one chronic injury, if we have bought Ndombele with a chronic injury at his age I will be incredibly concerned, again happy to give him till next season.



Us personally as a club have seen 2 players I can name with ease that got to us and downed tools havening been upcoming stars, and both have admitted since that it was their own fault. I am not saying outright Ndombele is swinging the lead but to totally ignore the idea would be wrong.

You totally ignore the rest of my post, you would have noticed that I said it's down to his mentality which would mean we are in agreement.
 

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You totally ignore the rest of my post, you would have noticed that I said it's down to his mentality which would mean we are in agreement.

I wasn't quoting you to disagree with you and yeah we are in agreement, id say mentality is probably the most important thing to any footballer who wants to be a success.
 
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We need to give him time like everyone else. Some good players don't hit the ground running in this league, im sure son didn't but look at him now. Its a tough league. If he doesnt hit the ground running and looking good start of next season then I'd be worried.
The problem is he hits the ground too often ! The reality is that if you pay this much, you expect better. Whoever does our scouting ??
We are excited about Lo Celso because he has fitted in! Besides him, who else has done well? Soldado ?? Need I say more ?
This is a bit of speculativw nonsense really and highly Overdramatic. He was fine last year and the year before that in League 1, hit fitness issues rarely come to fruition and was able to play consistently. This year the difference is that he's moved countries to a far better league and thus he needs to get up to speed mentally and thus physically...we've seen this before from many footballers who have come over here and needed time to settle, why is Ndombele any different from anyone else?

He isn't 'taking the piss' as you put it, what sense would it make to purposely down tools and get lazy, he's a young footballer playing at a big club with a goal to get called up for France in the Euro's in the Summer. He clearly wants to improve as he could have stayed in the comfort zone at Lyon or gone to a weaker league than the Premier League.

Biggest thing for me is his mentality, I keep saying it. If you have the right mental state then you want to do the hard yards and dig deep and subsequently get fitter...I don't think he's overweight or physically not up to it, I think mentally he's nowhere near where he needs to be.
And he is overweight imo !
 

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If the 7 months hadn't been broken up by recurring injury problems, then maybe this would be a valid statement. But it's not like he's been free of injury the whole time and just been struggling with conditioning is it?
Bang on. It's easy to say he's had seven months to get fit but that ignores the fact that for the three months immediately preceding his current lack of match fitness he suffered from a groin injury then a hip injury. Those aren't exactly the kinds of injuries that would allow a player who lacked fitness to begin with to build up his conditioning while recuperating.

That's not to say his fitness isn't a big problem. It obviously is, and it has been for his whole career. But to say that he should be match fit right now simply on the basis that he's been at the club for seven months is to ignore the injuries he's had to come back from. He needs to pull his finger out, though, because we desperately need him for the rest of the season and it's not looking very good at the moment.
 

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Bang on. It's easy to say he's had seven months to get fit but that ignores the fact that for the three months immediately preceding his current lack of match fitness he suffered from a groin injury then a hip injury. Those aren't exactly the kinds of injuries that would allow a player who lacked fitness to begin with to build up his conditioning while recuperating.

That's not to say his fitness isn't a big problem. It obviously is, and it has been for his whole career. But to say that he should be match fit right now simply on the basis that he's been at the club for seven months is to ignore the injuries he's had to come back from. He needs to pull his finger out, though, because we desperately need him for the rest of the season and it's not looking very good at the moment.

It's not ignoring the fact he's had these little injuries and I accept the time he's been here has been disrupted, so maybe to phrase it a better way... Its disappointing that it's taking him so long to get back to match fitness. He only missed 3 weeks with his latest injury so to seem like he'd not had a run for 6 months is frustrating.

As others have said, I'm desperate for him to succeed because he's what we've been crying out for, and a match fit, on form Ndombele can be one of the best in the world.
 

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It's not ignoring the fact he's had these little injuries and I accept the time he's been here has been disrupted, so maybe to phrase it a better way... Its disappointing that it's taking him so long to get back to match fitness. He only missed 3 weeks with his latest injury so to seem like he'd not had a run for 6 months is frustrating.

As others have said, I'm desperate for him to succeed because he's what we've been crying out for, and a match fit, on form Ndombele can be one of the best in the world.
He originally picked up the groin injury against Sheffield United in early November though, and suffered I think two recurrences when trying to come back from it. So all in all there was roughly a three month period where he was affected by niggling injuries and could never sustain any run in the team without a setback.

I don't mean to single you out in any way as I'm pretty much on exactly the same page just hoping for him to come good, but I do think there have been a number of others in this thread who have been over the top in their criticism not taking into account the fact that he's been injured.
 

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Grealish goes down a lot because he is the most fouled player in the premier league and I think its common knowledge that when fouled if you don't go to ground the opponents will give you even more harder tackles leadings to possible injury also I believe most referees don't give free kicks for fouls if you stay on your feet when tackled unfairly . Myself I would do the same as Grealish and I just wish he was in a spurs shirt .

The guy has been sent off for diving before (albeit a second yellow).

He gets the foul stats because he falls over more than anyone else in the league.
 

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Players who dribble a lot, get fouled a lot. Jack Grealish has earned a lot of fouls, is that because he dives the most in the league or due to the amount of dribbling in his game?
 

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The guy has been sent off for diving before (albeit a second yellow).

He gets the foul stats because he falls over more than anyone else in the league.

Like we don't have players who go down easy or indeed fling themselves down.
 

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Like we don't have players who go down easy or indeed fling themselves down.

It's embarrassing when they do it too and I wish they wouldn't.

Drawing a foul is different from going down when nothing has actually happened and he has a history with it.
 

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It's embarrassing when they do it too and I wish they wouldn't.

Drawing a foul is different from going down when nothing has actually happened and he has a history with it.
Just from watching our game he did go down easily but I'd call all of them fouls. It's not like he initiates contact or goes over without contact being made. I'd say we have far worse players than grealish for that.
 

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Must say that from what I have seen we could have made a big mistake in this signing .
On the other hand a few glimpses at what he is capable of is there to give you great hope for the future I desperately hope my assessment is 100% wrong because if the same ability shown when playing in France can be shown here we are in for a treat.
 
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This is a bit of speculativw nonsense really and highly Overdramatic. He was fine last year and the year before that in League 1, hit fitness issues rarely come to fruition and was able to play consistently. This year the difference is that he's moved countries to a far better league and thus he needs to get up to speed mentally and thus physically...we've seen this before from many footballers who have come over here and needed time to settle, why is Ndombele any different from anyone else?

He isn't 'taking the piss' as you put it, what sense would it make to purposely down tools and get lazy, he's a young footballer playing at a big club with a goal to get called up for France in the Euro's in the Summer. He clearly wants to improve as he could have stayed in the comfort zone at Lyon or gone to a weaker league than the Premier League.

Biggest thing for me is his mentality, I keep saying it. If you have the right mental state then you want to do the hard yards and dig deep and subsequently get fitter...I don't think he's overweight or physically not up to it, I think mentally he's nowhere near where he needs to be.
These are fine words but how would you feel if you spent £56m on something that didn't start ?
Must say that from what I have seen we could have made a big mistake in this signing .
On the other hand a few glimpses at what he is capable of is there to give you great hope for the future I desperately hope my assessment is 100% wrong because if the same ability shown when playing in France can be shown here we are in for a treat.
How many times do we have to sign a player who looked good in France?
 
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He signed a 5 year contact not a 5 month contact, chill.
When we paid £12m for Nkudu and Njie I can see your point.
This time we paid a club record £56m for what is supposed to be the finished article. After we wasted all the Bale money, I hoped the scouting dept would have had a review. Maybe it is a curse to be the record signing, Soldado? Lamela?
I hope you are right, but he seems to be overweight, unbalanced and easily stopped. I have watched videos of him dashing forward in French football but we have rarely seen any of this. He seems to see a pass as per second goal vs City. You just expect better when the club spend a major amount of their transfer budget, you would get someone who would seriously influence the club's results. So 2 goals, 2 assists, 2 yellow cards.
 
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