Player Watch Player Watch: Son Heung-min

[wrd]

That's why i said "hopefully"

They should see that a human beings mental health could be affected here and look at the bigger picture (and no i am not talking about Atkinson's fragile ego)

Irrespective of whether they want to show compassion to Son ( a player that always plays in the right spirit and with a smile) they just need to give the correct decision as seen by all but a few (no doubt with an anti-Spurs bias)

They just need to be objective and considering the media reaction, I'd say objectively it is not a red card.

 

[maltahotspur]

Mark Clattenburg saying Aurier should also have been sent off

What a grade A twat

Oh I see, sent off for being in the proximity of an opponent who has just been fouled. That's a new one!

This so called 'Beautiful game' is becoming more and more an utter comical farce!

 

[razzmaster]

This nonsense they've subsequently come out with justifying the sending off is laughable.

That basically means even the most innocuous challenge could be a red card if it leads to an awkward fall.

They are setting a dangerous precedent with this ruling. Everytime a player is pushed over advertising boards or into the crowd can be construed as potentially dangerous, every shove at pace, every trip at pace. Any clash of heads where a player goes in slightly late. The Gomes arm to Sons face could be even have been classed as potentially endangering a player. It's getting beyond a joke and is ruining the game.

 

[maltahotspur]

Wasn't aware. I thought it was plainly obvious he caused the scenario that unfolded. Ultimately, no tackle, no injury.

Well then, football is not an ideal sport for you. I suggest you go and follow Tennis, Golf or maybe Chess if you like!

 

[muppetman]

Going on the last few years and the way VAR has been implemented I will be very surprised if the red card is overturned. They protect their own at all times and seem to find it hugely damaging to admit that human beings make mistakes which is fairly baffling.

 

[Guernman]

Hopefully common sense should prevail here. I think considering how much this clearly affected Son, it would really help him to be officially exonorated from blame. This is the sort of incident that could have a longer term impact on him and how he plays the game and I think the governing body has as much responsibility to clear Son and prevent his carrying an unfair pyschological burden as they do towards players who are injured by excessively aggressive tackles. I am not worried so much by Son missing the next three games, but rather the long term impact of being officially held responsible for what could be a career altering injury

The rules are clear, intent is not a factor if the challenge is likely to potentially seriously endanger the player. Son's tackle simply doesn't meet that criteria, it was really not likely to cause any injury. Play that out one hundred times and Gomes is completely fine. The damage was done after any impact from Son and was just a really unfortunate accident in the way he landed. If the PL uphold this decision they are truly opening up pandora's box.

 

[buckley]

If this red card is allowed to stand then some players will not make any tackles in the Eriksen mode and you then have a game that is not worth watching . For me it was a borderline foul but I could accept a yellow card but a red card. really?

 

[Kiedis]

I just don't see them reversing it. They'll stick with the "he endangered his opponent, as proved by his ankle getting broken.", and they wont take into consideration that in normal law, this would set precedent so that every single tackle where an opponent is injured would have to be a red card from now on.

Because it was dangerous. Because someone got injured.

Son will get his three game ban, and someone hack down someone from behind next week, get a yellow and no one will care.

 

[yankspurs]

What a ridiculous appeal. They never overturn. Take the fucking 3 games and dont risk adding a 4th.

 

[double0]

The premier will not reverse the red card due the severity of the injury the part played by Son plus the referee decision.

 

[Spurrific]

We have to appeal, because it was an incorrect decision. Atkinson also brought the game into disrepute by not adhering to officiating standards. The sly, weasel-like way he tried to sneak the yellow card in his pocket was a disgrace and he should be sacked.

It was a yellow card. If the red isn't rescinded, it shows the governing bodies are ruled by emotions and not logic or facts. I don't wanna sound like Spock in 'ere, but it's too late.

 

[Ben1]

Well then, football is not an ideal sport for you. I suggest you go and follow Tennis, Golf or maybe Chess if you like!

I don't really get this response, I was merely responding to people that believe Sonny had no part to play in him getting injured, which just isn't correct. Also don't at all believe he directly caused it or that there is anything wrong with a tackle like that (beyond the regulation yellow).

 

[Guernman]

I can understand why Atkinson did what he did on the pitch. The incident happened at speed and it was reasonable to assume that the impact from Son's tackle caused the injury. It is also understandable that Atkinson would have been affected by the actual injury itself, which from the reaction of all in the vicinity must have looked horrific, as well as Son's own reaction in which he clearly thought that he was to blame. At that stage, because the ref thought it was the result of Son's impact it is not surprising that he switched to red. We are told that VAR was not involved in this process.

Now that replays can show that the injury was NOT caused by the impact of Son's challenge at all, but rather by the freak way in which Gomes landed, it is pretty clear that Son's red should be rescinded and I don't see why this should reflect badly on the ref, who really could not have seen what happened and why in real time.

 

[SargeantMeatCurtains]

As others have said, the only correct thing the FA can do now is rescind the red card. If they don't, they're essentially saying Son broke Gomes' leg, when he didnt. That indictment alone will destroy Son. You could see the moment he realised what had happened he was mortified. I'm sure he'll take some comfort from an official governing body ruling that, although he initiated the challenge, he wasnt directly responsible for breaking his leg.

It would be ridiculously cruel for the FA to uphold the decision, when it wasn't anything close to being a red card anyway. The failing by that wanker Atkinson should be enough to rescind it too.

With that said, I fully expect them to uphold it.

 

[John48]

What a ridiculous appeal. They never overturn. Take the fucking 3 games and dont risk adding a 4th.

Don't agree, the red suggests the injury was Son's fault & dangerous play which it wasn't. The injury was caused by his studs sticking in the turf has he went down & was a very unfortunate accident.

Whether they appeal though should be done with the agreement of Son because if wants time to come to terms with the incident then maybe he'll want to take a 3 match ban. With the international break coming up though missing this w/e & a couple of weeks might be the way to go.

 

[John48]

Mark Clattenburg saying Aurier should also have been sent off

What a grade A twat

Pretty much explains why he could a prize prat as a Ref, he really doesn't understand football. The tackle was a foul, but it didn't cause the injury, his studs sticking in the turf did that.

 

[Spurrific]

I can understand why Atkinson did what he did on the pitch. The incident happened at speed and it was reasonable to assume that the impact from Son's tackle caused the injury. It is also understandable that Atkinson would have been affected by the actual injury itself, which from the reaction of all in the vicinity must have looked horrific, as well as Son's own reaction in which he clearly thought that he was to blame. At that stage, because the ref thought it was the result of Son's impact it is not surprising that he switched to red. We are told that VAR was not involved in this process.

Now that replays can show that the injury was NOT caused by the impact of Son's challenge at all, but rather by the freak way in which Gomes landed, it is pretty clear that Son's red should be rescinded and I don't see why this should reflect badly on the ref, who really could not have seen what happened and why in real time.

Which is exactly the problem. He didn't see what happened, he had a yellow card out - but then guessed that Son must have caused the damage. He outright failed to do his job, and should be sacked. If I fucked up that badly at work, I would be. If there was any doubt, VAR is in place to double-check his work. VAR wouldn't have upgraded that to a red card, so some twat on the field without a brain shouldn't be able to either - especially when he's obviously doing it in reaction to a freak injury.

 

[Trotter]

Which is exactly the problem. He didn't see what happened, he had a yellow card out - but then guessed that Son must have caused the damage. He outright failed to do his job, and should be sacked. If I fucked up that badly at work, I would be. If there was any doubt, VAR is in place to double-check his work. VAR wouldn't have upgraded that to a red card, so some twat on the field without a brain shouldn't be able to either - especially when he's obviously doing it in reaction to a freak injury.

No he didn’t guess, he was advised by his fellow officials (both the linesman and 4th official, and VAR looked at and confirmed) to give the red card.
Why I think this may be upheld and is totally different to other leg breaking tackles that have not resulted in a red before, is because it was a cowardly retribution tackle where he had no chance of winning the ball. It wasn’t a genuine mistimed tackle where players were going for the ball and just got timing wrong. He had one nibble and when that failed, a lunge from behind with zero regard for opponent, and zero chance of winning ball.
No serious injury then yellow card, endangering an opponent through recklessness, red card.
Son obviously did not go out to seriously injure the opponent, but his actions let him down.
Saying that I think it sets a dangerous precedent if red is upheld, and I think a yellow would have been sufficient, but players cannot take law into their own hands.

 

[Gb160]

Well it seems almost unanimous, ive read a reddit thread (all fans, not just Spurs fans) and its a widespread opinion that a red was harsh and it should be recinded.
Loads of pundits and even retired refs have also said the same.
So really there's only one possible outcome from the appeal.

See you in 3 games Sonny.

 

[Spurrific]

No he didn’t guess, he was advised by his fellow officials (both the linesman and 4th official, and VAR looked at and confirmed) to give the red card.
Why I think this may be upheld and is totally different to other leg breaking tackles that have not resulted in a red before, is because it was a cowardly retribution tackle where he had no chance of winning the ball. It wasn’t a genuine mistimed tackle where players were going for the ball and just got timing wrong. He had one nibble and when that failed, a lunge from behind with zero regard for opponent, and zero chance of winning ball.
No serious injury then yellow card, endangering an opponent through recklessness, red card.
Son obviously did not go out to seriously injure the opponent, but his actions let him down.
Saying that I think it sets a dangerous precedent if red is upheld, and I think a yellow would have been sufficient, but players cannot take law into their own hands.

He clipped his heels. He didn’t endanger the player, Gomes was injured by a freak accident. It was innocuous and there are dozens of those challenges every match day. It wasn’t a red card. Where is your evidence that VAR confirmed it? I’ve watched it numerous times and he didn’t put his finger to his ear at any point, there was no official VAR review, and in real time he looked down at the leg and then brandished the red card - without seeking advice from anybody else.

I think I see where your confusion stems from - the person running up to Atkinson telling him to send Son off was actually Digne, who plays for Everton - not an official.

And yes, he did guess. He looked at the leg and GUESSED Son did the damage. Then he sneakily put the yellow away and got the red out. I don’t know why you think long rambling posts mean you have a point.