thebenjamin
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Only if there's one available for nothing.
Player Watch Player Watch: Oliver Skipp
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Only if there's one available for nothing.
DJS
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Was a very odd philosophy by Poch that I believe has hindered Skipp and also KWP before him.
Timberwolf
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He always seemed to think the most important thing was having the players adapt to his very specific way of coaching and being around the first team. I can understand this to an extent, especially when a player is young (Skipp) or new to the country (like Foyth), but after a certain point it's surely just diminishing returns. Does any player ever truly need more than about 6 months, maybe a year, of coaching and adapting to the first team squad? Beyond that, if they still aren't starting, you're surely doing them more harm than good by denying them regular game time.
Didn't KWP start the first game of the season like 3 seasons in a row then barely feature beyond that? As soon as it was clear that he wouldn't be a genuine contender to play regularly we should've sent him off somewhere to get some serious games under his belt.
The same goes for Foyth. I suppose he was unlucky with injuries this season, but 30 appearances in 3 seasons (or the equivalent to 25 appearances given his actual minutes played) simply isn't good enough for a raw defender that needs serious experience. He's almost played as much for the national team/U20s as he has for Spurs since he joined.
At least Skipp is still only 19 and has time on his side. The other two are 22 and 23 and have arguably wasted some crucial years.
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coy-spurs1882
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This argument is a well worn road. Poch hindered the growth of a lot of young players with his manner of keeping them close to the first team for too long. I don't think Edwards was the same though, that seemed like a constant battle with the player never seeming to be settled for one reason or another.
It is my belief that if Edwards and Onomah were good enough they would have made it to the first team squad .
The fact is the few times we saw them they were in my opinion abysmal . Someone like Tanganga if not injured would in my opinion be a starter proving if good enough you will start . A manager would be an idiot to hold back top talent but it seems the truth is we do not possess the very top class youngsters mainly because the uber rich clubs scoop up most of the top talent and the rest are left with the leftovers .
Having said that we still have hopes for Cirkin and Skipp so you can still get hold of youngsters good enough to be coached into major talent .I have also heard that Marsh will be a talent . But to start any of these youngsters over established players at this moment in the season would be reckless in the extreme .
The fact is the few times we saw them they were in my opinion abysmal . Someone like Tanganga if not injured would in my opinion be a starter proving if good enough you will start . A manager would be an idiot to hold back top talent but it seems the truth is we do not possess the very top class youngsters mainly because the uber rich clubs scoop up most of the top talent and the rest are left with the leftovers .
Having said that we still have hopes for Cirkin and Skipp so you can still get hold of youngsters good enough to be coached into major talent .I have also heard that Marsh will be a talent . But to start any of these youngsters over established players at this moment in the season would be reckless in the extreme .
carpediem991
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Thing with Poch was with Japhet the same: Great pre season, we are playing complete trash, and he still did not get a look in.
Similar with KWP: Great debut, great signs here and their (3 assists against Leicester), and then completely out of the picture for several months again. Talking about destroying confidence of a talent.
Whether Edwards or Onomah were good enough is hard to say, but somehow their path with us ended a bit fucked up. Same for Carter-Vickers.
Spursmatty87
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Poch is great at developing 1st team young players like he did with us and saints, but the transition from academy to 1st team was where he failed. Kwp, Onomah and Edwards were all heavily involved in the English success at youth level at the very least one of the three should of been developed well enough to get a really good fees for a players ready for a pl club
archiewasking
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Hope so, I really rate the lad.
DogsOfWar
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I think it depends on the youngster, some kids are just born old and have the mentality to play senior football at an early age.
For me, Skipp is one of these sort of players. He's always played up in age groups and never been phased or shown signs of anything but wanting to die with his boots on, a Scott Parker or Jordan Henderson type.
I don't think we have an established player who can play DM effectively and I'd rather play Skipp in a position he's excelled at than one of our experienced lot who's unsuited to the role.
Timberwolf
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This.
Playing Winks or Sissoko as DM when they aren't suited to it just because they're "established" doesn't make any sense to me.
If it was some utterly raw 17 year old making his debut I'd be concerned, but Skipp has made 12 league appearances, had a few starts in the cups, and generally seems to have a mature head on his shoulders. I honestly can't see how he could do any worse than Winks in that role and it certainly wouldn't be "reckless in the extreme" to give him a run in the team over the next 9 games.
Onomah started off alright, but faded. He should've gone out for a loan two years before Poch let him. Edwards I won't go into, because it seems like it was more than just not getting playing time. KWP was a great prospect but never developed physically. As someone else said Tanganga could've had more game time. Presumably him being at odds with the club contract wise owed much to him seeing what had happened to others and not wanting the same.
coy-spurs1882
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some odd 5 minutes on the pitch would not give a fair and precise assessment, that's why you need to loan them out and see if how they adapt to first team football instead of letting them rot on our hands
BringBack_leGin
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Skipp?
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dtxspurs
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People said the same about Sissoko and he was awful
bubble07
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Gedson has more composure on the ball which is needed for that position
