Player Watch Player Watch - Lucas Moura

[punkisback]

You need more of an Eriksen type player to play that position really if you are using the overlapping Right wing back. If anything it should function as an extra no10 rather than a winger. Moura is not the person for this role on the right.

 

[spids]

I really like Lucas. He tries harder than anyone else. Every game. He is amazing in the air for a little 'un. He gets stuck in and always puts his body on the line for the team, one of the few players to leave everything on the pitch. But his position in the team and out tactics, tucked inside as an inside right forward, are bizarre. His touch is not good enough to get the ball with his back to goal. His passing is pretty average and he will not unlock a deep defence with a pass. His main attribute is his pace and yet we never look to play him in behind anyone. I would love to see what happens if he is told to hug the touchline and every time he gets the ball just go at their full back and do him for pace, get to the byline and either hang one up, drive it across, or pull it back. Kane, Dele and Son would thrive on that sort of wing play on the right, especially if they knew that is what he is going to do each time. Instead he tucks in, looks to get the ball with his back to goal 35 yards from goal. His only option being to pass back to whoever is playing RB. If he does manage to control it and turn he runs into incredibly congested areas and is crowded out immediately.

 

[jonnyp]

What end of season form? Bloke got 2 assists since the restart - one of them being the pass to Kane for the wondergoal so that's hardly worthy.

The last time he scored in the league was mid-December and since then we've 3 PL assists and a couple of FA Cup goals, he must have the lowest output of any attacking player in the top half

I'm not talking about his end product, just general football. The last 3-4 games of last season his touch and passing were orders of magnitude better than it had been before. His constant loss of possession before that were a complete liability, costing us chances to break or build an attack, and putting our defence under needless pressure.

I was hoping at the very least he'd carry that into the new season. I was probably hoping for too much.

 

[markdadude]

I can guarantee in every oppo's team talk he is highlighted and instructions are made clear to foul him and stop any counter originating from his pace, especially from their corners. He is fouled the entire time and it's a dirty, shitty, frustrating tactic that every team we play against employs - and we often don't get to see what he can do as a result. I can't be arsed with stats and no idea where to find them, but the fouls and yellow cards he has drawn must be up there in the league.
If the rest of our players were more capable, then it wouldn't be so easy to foul him out of the game, or risk a booking.

 

[Thewobbler]

I can guarantee in every oppo's team talk he is highlighted and instructions are made clear to foul him and stop any counter originating from his pace, especially from their corners. He is fouled the entire time and it's a dirty, shitty, frustrating tactic that every team we play against employs - and we often don't get to see what he can do as a result. I can't be arsed with stats and no idea where to find them, but the fouls and yellow cards he has drawn must be up there in the league.
If the rest of our players were more capable, then it wouldn't be so easy to foul him out of the game, or risk a booking.

Hes 9th in the list, 63 fouls against him. Grealish is top with a massive 167 fouls against him.

Top 50 most fouled players in the Premier League (Season 2019/20) - 01.08.2020

Top 50 most fouled players in the Premier League (Season 2019/20) - 01.08.2020

eurofootballrumours.com

 

[buckley]

Lucas Moura is a busy hardworking trier with some rare moments of brilliance but ultimately overall a poor player in fact a frustrating player because he produces nothing and I have never heard such a load of codswallop that if he was fouled less he would be more dangerous.
The problem with Moura is that he is Jose's blind spot and he picks him every game when Bergwijn is played he may not be as flashy but his product is greater than Moura . In short Moura is a impact player that you put on the pitch as a last resort in the hope he can produce one of his rare moments of magic . For goodness sake Mc ginn of Aston Villa is fouled more than Moura on your analysis if Mc Ginn was fouled less he would be more effective . By the way his misplaced 21passes was the highest by any one player in the premier league and higher than than any player in Europes top five leagues fouls had nothing to do with his ability to pass the ball to a teammate .

 

[markdadude]

Lucas Moura is a busy hardworking trier with some rare moments of brilliance but ultimately overall a poor player in fact a frustrating player because he produces nothing and I have never heard such a load of codswallop that if he was fouled less he would be more dangerous.
The problem with Moura is that he is Jose's blind spot and he picks him every game when Bergwijn is played he may not be as flashy but his product is greater than Moura . In short Moura is a impact player that you put on the pitch as a last resort in the hope he can produce one of his rare moments of magic . For goodness sake Mc ginn of Aston Villa is fouled more than Moura on your analysis if Mc Ginn was fouled less he would be more effective . By the way his misplaced 21passes was the highest by any one player in the premier league and higher than than any player in Europes top five leagues fouls had nothing to do with his ability to pass the ball to a teammate .

Jesus. Countless times I have watched him get fouled out of the game, always in dangerous positions, and I come on here and the number of blind muppets on here that say that he did nothing all game... well I've obviously just found another one. Pretty hard to score or make mazey runs when you have been hacked into a heap on the ground.

And it makes perfect sense that the decent Villa players get fouled A LOT. How do you stop a team with only a few good players? easy, just foul the good ones when they are about to hurt you. You have lots of players to take a yellow if necessary. Against a team full of good players you would quickly be down a player; this doesn't work, Obviously.

Equally as obvious are that spurs do not have enough good players, more than villa at least. Maybe you can understand now, do please try... Saying Moura isn't good enough is moronic. I don't deny he has faults and can be prone to losing the ball. He's high risk but high reward. He actually wants the ball for more than a safe pass, and who can we actually say that about in this team. Very few

 

[buckley]

Well I will say it in a clearer way Moura is pants and if you are impressed by all that running around all action that produces nothing then thats okay with me . I am one of the people that is not going to define a player on one match namely the Ajax semi final because apart from that game on he has produced very little in the way of scoring a goal or making chances for others . We could fill up our team with the Moura's of this world and go nowhere regards winning football and before you start telling me I am a blind muppet I can tell you I may be a muppet but I am not blind . 21 mislaid passes has nothing to do with being fouled it is to reaffirm that this bloke is no good but one thing nobody can dispute is his effort . As for the fouls perhaps if he did not try to score a fantastic goal every time he got the ball and kept it simple by keeping a passing move going he would not get fouled so much . I am not a great fan of stats but 21 misplaced passes in one match speaks for itself .
There are maligned players in our squad that give the ball away three or four times but 21 times takes some doing .

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Well I will say it in a clearer way Moura is pants and if you are impressed by all that running around all action that produces nothing then thats okay with me . I am one of the people that is not going to define a player on one match namely the Ajax semi final because apart from that game on he has produced very little in the way of scoring a goal or making chances for others . We could fill up our team with the Moura's of this world and go nowhere regards winning football and before you start telling me I am a blind muppet I can tell you I may be a muppet but I am not blind . 21 mislaid passes has nothing to do with being fouled it is to reaffirm that this bloke is no good but one thing nobody can dispute is his effort . As for the fouls perhaps if he did not try to score a fantastic goal every time he got the ball and kept it simple by keeping a passing move going he would not get fouled so much . I am not a great fan of stats but 21 misplaced passes in one match speaks for itself .
There are maligned players in our squad that give the ball away three or four times but 21 times takes some doing .

So you like him then?

 

[buckley]

I like his attitude and effort but sadly he does not create chances he does not score goals his passing is abysmal if that translates to not liking him then so be it . I prefer to say its just pointing out that he is just not good enough . Think about it Dele lost the ball three times and has been lambasted for doing so . Moura misplaced 21 passes and it seems that " his effort " makes this stat ok . if you are allright with that then thats fine but I find it quite scary that a players with his stats gets a free pass when others whose stats prove they contribute more get lambasted quite odd really .

 

[Trotter]

I like his attitude and effort but sadly he does not create chances he does not score goals his passing is abysmal if that translates to not liking him then so be it . I prefer to say its just pointing out that he is just not good enough . Think about it Dele lost the ball three times and has been lambasted for doing so . Moura misplaced 21 passes and it seems that " his effort " makes this stat ok . if you are allright with that then thats fine but I find it quite scary that a players with his stats gets a free pass when others whose stats prove they contribute more get lambasted quite odd really .

I am not sure Mourinho is picking him for creating and scoring.
I think he is one of first names on teamsheet because he is our first line of defence, a winger than presses quite well, that has a turn of pace.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I can guarantee in every oppo's team talk he is highlighted and instructions are made clear to foul him and stop any counter originating from his pace, especially from their corners. He is fouled the entire time and it's a dirty, shitty, frustrating tactic that every team we play against employs - and we often don't get to see what he can do as a result. I can't be arsed with stats and no idea where to find them, but the fouls and yellow cards he has drawn must be up there in the league.
If the rest of our players were more capable, then it wouldn't be so easy to foul him out of the game, or risk a booking.

Or is he actually too weak and slight goes down too easily?

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I like his attitude and effort but sadly he does not create chances he does not score goals his passing is abysmal if that translates to not liking him then so be it . I prefer to say its just pointing out that he is just not good enough . Think about it Dele lost the ball three times and has been lambasted for doing so . Moura misplaced 21 passes and it seems that " his effort " makes this stat ok . if you are allright with that then thats fine but I find it quite scary that a players with his stats gets a free pass when others whose stats prove they contribute more get lambasted quite odd really .

Spot on. Like the guy but he’s no where near good enough output of meaningful attacking contributions for what we need.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Well I will say it in a clearer way Moura is pants and if you are impressed by all that running around all action that produces nothing then thats okay with me . I am one of the people that is not going to define a player on one match namely the Ajax semi final because apart from that game on he has produced very little in the way of scoring a goal or making chances for others . We could fill up our team with the Moura's of this world and go nowhere regards winning football and before you start telling me I am a blind muppet I can tell you I may be a muppet but I am not blind . 21 mislaid passes has nothing to do with being fouled it is to reaffirm that this bloke is no good but one thing nobody can dispute is his effort . As for the fouls perhaps if he did not try to score a fantastic goal every time he got the ball and kept it simple by keeping a passing move going he would not get fouled so much . I am not a great fan of stats but 21 misplaced passes in one match speaks for itself .
There are maligned players in our squad that give the ball away three or four times but 21 times takes some doing .

Agree. There is a reason PSG let him go so easily

 

[Thewobbler]

Lucas Moura is a busy hardworking trier with some rare moments of brilliance but ultimately overall a poor player in fact a frustrating player because he produces nothing and I have never heard such a load of codswallop that if he was fouled less he would be more dangerous.
The problem with Moura is that he is Jose's blind spot and he picks him every game when Bergwijn is played he may not be as flashy but his product is greater than Moura . In short Moura is a impact player that you put on the pitch as a last resort in the hope he can produce one of his rare moments of magic . For goodness sake Mc ginn of Aston Villa is fouled more than Moura on your analysis if Mc Ginn was fouled less he would be more effective . By the way his misplaced 21passes was the highest by any one player in the premier league and higher than than any player in Europes top five leagues fouls had nothing to do with his ability to pass the ball to a teammate .

Agreed, there are players higher in that list who are fouled more than moura who are still able to provide for their team. Traore from wolves, zaha, grealish, maddison. Sadio mane just below has 51 fouls against him yet produces.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Where the hell is Jose going to play Lucas now that Bale is coming home

 

[Neon_Knight_]

I really like Lucas. He tries harder than anyone else. Every game. He is amazing in the air for a little 'un. He gets stuck in and always puts his body on the line for the team, one of the few players to leave everything on the pitch. But his position in the team and out tactics, tucked inside as an inside right forward, are bizarre. His touch is not good enough to get the ball with his back to goal. His passing is pretty average and he will not unlock a deep defence with a pass. His main attribute is his pace and yet we never look to play him in behind anyone. I would love to see what happens if he is told to hug the touchline and every time he gets the ball just go at their full back and do him for pace, get to the byline and either hang one up, drive it across, or pull it back. Kane, Dele and Son would thrive on that sort of wing play on the right, especially if they knew that is what he is going to do each time. Instead he tucks in, looks to get the ball with his back to goal 35 yards from goal. His only option being to pass back to whoever is playing RB. If he does manage to control it and turn he runs into incredibly congested areas and is crowded out immediately.

When he does stay wide and run at the opposition, he tends to win free-kicks in advanced positions and get players booked, as well as opening up more space in the middle (historically for Kane, Alli & Eriksen).

It's a bit like when Lennon played on the right for England with Glen Johnson (taken out of the game by his own teammate). A case could be made that Lennon was more effective for us when playing with Corluka than Walker.

Hopefully Reguilon will be complimentary to Son on the left!

 

[Dirtysanchez6]

Going to be a great impact player now

 

[spursfan1991]

He will be remembered a legend for what he did in that semi final but i feel like he hasnt done much since. Surely we need more than just working ard.

 

[Oh Teddy Teddy]

He will be remembered a legend for what he did in that semi final but i feel like he hasnt done much since. Surely we need more than just working ard.

We do, which is we signed a world class player to replace him out there.

Perfect squad player, though. Well liked and when needed will work harder than anyone. But, just like a few of them (Dier, Davies, Winks...), is a bench player for a team that aspires to be top four and challenging consistently for trophies.