Harry Winks - Leicester City

[Mr Pink]

Nope he shouldn’t of, he should have though.

Hate that grammar! Duly corrected lol.

 

[Monkey boy]

This is not a 50/50 and anyone thinks he couldn’t have cleared this has lost the plot

that’s pretty damning to be fair, even worse when you look at the clock in the top left corner. Just lash it anywhere! Even out for another corner would have been better than what he did. Argghhhh I had only just calmed down.

 

[Stamford]

This is not a 50/50 and anyone thinks he couldn’t have cleared this has lost the plot

He could have even just hit it high, we could have got set in position and that goal isn't scored. Its not his fault we drew but he's just naive

 

[Joely]

His part in the equaliser was damn annoying but at the same time as frustrating as it is I understand players can and do make mistakes. Obviously if someone is continuously making errors then it's a problem.

My biggest issue is I just don't think he really has enough about him. Just looks far too lightweight for me, especially when teams ramp up the pressure. Don't really see any ability to hold off challenges in tight situations in order to get away and/or play a pass. Always feels like he needs a bit of time and space to operate in....when it gets hectic he looks out his depth imo and bit of a headless chicken who reverts to running around chasing because that's all he has to fall back on in those situations.

Just glad N'dombele is looking like he has turned a corner which hopefully results in seeing less of Winks. Just need Lo Celso to try and stay fit and consign Winks to Europa group stage games. Now much more interested in seeing what Skipp can do.

 

[PeeEyeEmPee]

Way too much emphasis going into the lack of Winks not clearing it, you'd think he was in his own box going by the reaction off here and presented them with an easy chance, not much you can do about a speculative effort that flies in the top corner, Lanzini doesn't score that 99 times out of 100.

There's much he could've done about the ball getting to Lanzini in the first place though.

 

[Shadydan]

There's much he could've done about the ball getting to Lanzini in the first place though.

I don't think Jose would be focusing on that too much, Lanzini hitting an absolute worldy wouldn't have pissed him off, as he said that's football, it was an absolute freak goal and unlikely to happen to him again. What Jose would be pissed about is our mentality and our collective defending.

 

[PeeEyeEmPee]

I don't understand how anyone watching that goal could conclude that Winks wasn't in a position to get a much better contact on that ball to play it either out of play or further up the field. He even has a run-up, and gets there well before his opponent, so could easily have generated the power required to do either of the above. He tried to be clever though, and it resulted in their equaliser. Protest all you like about a Hail Mary once-in-a-lifetime shot, but Lanzini did his job while Winks didn't.

Btw, and nothing to do with yesterday's game, are there still people in here that either a) genuinely believe(d) Man City were wanting to bid £40m for him or b) would've been against selling him at that price? I'm genuinely curious

 

[PeeEyeEmPee]

I don't think Jose would be focusing on that too much, Lanzini hitting an absolute worldy wouldn't have pissed him off, as he said that's football, it was an absolute freak goal and unlikely to happen to him again. What Jose would be pissed about is our mentality and our collective defending.

That's fair enough. I'm not suggesting we hang him for his mistake, but I don't get why we should pretend it wasn't one.

 

[Shadydan]

That's fair enough. I'm not suggesting we hang him for his mistake, but I don't get why we should pretend it wasn't one.

The reaction would have been different is Bale, Kane or Son or any of our untouchables did that, way different.

 

[PeeEyeEmPee]

The reaction would have been different is Bale, Kane or Son or any of our untouchables did that, way different.

Maybe. Probably, even. But then, there's a reason they are our untouchables in the first place. For instance, I don't think we would've drawn yesterday had Kane not been so selfish in the second half. But it would be silly to sit here and drag him for it, given that he was the main reason were practically home and hosed to begin with. Plus, he's Harry Kane. His mistakes are going to be far outweighed by the number of times he contributes to us winning games. That obviously isn't the case with Winks.

 

[Monkey boy]

The reaction would have been different is Bale, Kane or Son or any of our untouchables did that, way different.

thata because all those above players have vast amounts of credit in the bank and have proven time and time again that they have fantastic all round ability. If they had done what winks did yesterday firstly I’d be very surprised and then second I’d still criticise them for inadvertently costing us a goal.

even if many people don’t think Winks is of the required standard of which I am very much one of them, they are still allowed to point out a very obvious mistake that he’s just made. My initial reaction watching it in real time was why didn’t he lump it, having now brought myself to watch a replay I very much stand by my point of view.

 

[Shadydan]

thata because all those above players have vast amounts of credit in the bank and have proven time and time again that they have fantastic all round ability. If they had done what winks did yesterday firstly I’d be very surprised and then second I’d still criticise them for inadvertently costing us a goal.

even if many people don’t think Winks is of the required standard of which I am very much one of them, they are still allowed to point out a very obvious mistake that he’s just made. My initial reaction watching it in real time was why didn’t he lump it, having now brought myself to watch a replay I very much stand by my point of view.

Which means you don't look at things objectively, rather based on reputations. Winks has a bad reputation amongst some and is very obvious on here therefore you're just proving my point.

 

[Monkey boy]

Which means you don't look at things objectively, rather based on reputations. Winks has a bad reputation amongst some and is very obvious on here therefore you're just proving my point.

not sure how you’ve come to that conclusion after I just said that I’d criticise any player for producing a brain fart moment like that. Whether you like Harry Winks as a player or not, you can’t defend or give benefit of the doubt for not lashing that ball clear yesterday. The only explanation I can think of is he way maybe scared of getting a whack from the West Ham player? Other than that I have no idea why he wouldn’t think to lash the ball as far away from the danger area as he could when there is 30 seconds left on the clock.

 

[Phomesy]

50/50 have you ever played the game to know what a 50/50 actually is lol

I assume it means the same thing to me as it does to every single former player pundit who has commentated on this incident.

Not one has blamed Winks for a catastrophic defensive error or choice. Neither do I.

You're free to believe whatever you like.

 

[RikkiRocket]

I assume it means the same thing to me as it does to every single former player pundit who has commentated on this incident.

Not one has blamed Winks for a catastrophic defensive error or choice. Neither do I.

You're free to believe whatever you like.

Happy Birthday. I got you a Danny doll. You can believe and talk to him all day now. ????

 

[bat-chain]

You can’t defend it but you can look at it within the context of what he has been trained to do and what Mourinho probably asked him to do when coming on.

His whole training life has probably been, control the ball and pass it, not hoof it clear. He tried to do what he has been trained to do but unfortunately he failed and from this Lanzini smashed it in. We all view this with hindsight but no one thought Lanzini would do that if Winks failed with his control, obviously if he knew that he would have smashed it.

Perhaps its a lesson but I think it’s a very harsh one, especially our fans getting on Winks' case when he is basically a fan himself, he wanted Spurs to win just as much as us.

We don’t have to do this scapegoat thing because it’s not that simple anyway.

Lloris let in the goals
Aurier gave away the free kick for the equaliser
Sissoko gave away the free kick for the first goal and then failed to defend it.
Sanchez scored an own goal.
Bale and Kane missed chances
Lucas did not track his runner
Winks could have hoofed it

We could go on. Hundreds of moments add up to the final result and that's just on our side.

 

[Matrix]

This was written in that dirt rag The Sun “Then, in the fourth minute of stoppage time, another Cresswell free-kick was headed away by Kane but a wayward touch from Harry Winks fell into the path of Manuel Lanzini, who arrowed a goal-of-the-season contenderinto the top corner from 30 yards to send West Ham into delirium.”

Another excerpt from Football London

”There are of course other reasons why Tottenham ended up throwing away two points in the game, including some iffy defending in crunch moments from Moussa Sissoko, Davinson Sanchez, Bale's missed chance from close range, that foul by Serge Aurier, and then that Winks "clearance" that should have been sent long and deep.”

My point being, these are opinions, and these opinions don’t suddenly make them facts because a pundit or a football writer has written or said them, they don’t make you point by more valid because you happen to agree with them and do not invalidate other peoples observations like you have been banging on about the last few pages.

 

[dtxspurs]

This was written in that dirt rag The Sun “Then, in the fourth minute of stoppage time, another Cresswell free-kick was headed away by Kane but a wayward touch from Harry Winks fell into the path of Manuel Lanzini, who arrowed a goal-of-the-season contenderinto the top corner from 30 yards to send West Ham into delirium.”

Another excerpt from Football London

”There are of course other reasons why Tottenham ended up throwing away two points in the game, including some iffy defending in crunch moments from Moussa Sissoko, Davinson Sanchez, Bale's missed chance from close range, that foul by Serge Aurier, and then that Winks "clearance" that should have been sent long and deep.”

My point being, these are opinions, and these opinions don’t suddenly make them facts because a pundit or a football writer has written or said them, they don’t make you point by more valid because you happen to agree with them and do not invalidate other peoples observations like you have been banging on about the last few pages.

The usual suspects.

 

[bomberH]

Some of the criticism on here is so over the top. If you don’t think he’s good enough for our team then that’s fine, everyone has different opinions, but he’s been in or around the first team for every manager he’s played under, including our current manager who is one of the best ever managers the game has ever produced. He’s not as bad as some of you are making out. Whatever your opinions on Poch, Mourinho and Southgate are, I think it’s safe to say they know football more than any of us. I’m not a fan of Southgate for instance, but he’s been in the game for over 30 years. They all pick Winks.

For me, his game has stalled a bit over the last 18 months or so but I still think he’s a decent player. I don’t think it was his fault that we drew yesterday. After the first 20 minutes, West Ham were just as good as us if not better in every aspect of the game. Moyes even said he couldn’t have a go at them at half time because he thought they played really well bar the goals conceded. Ndombele (who had been brilliant) was tiring when he came off so I don’t blame Jose for making the sub. Mistakes were made by Sissoko, Sanchez, Aurier and Winks for their goals but also by the team as a whole. We took our foot off the gas when we went 3-0 up.

We should never lose 3 goals in 10 mins but Winks wasn’t the reason for it. At least one goal had been coming for ages, well before he came on. It’s the one thing that slightly annoys me about Jose, we always seem to slow down if we score a couple of early goals. That needs to change or be managed much better by the players.

Just my opinion of course. Sometimes shit happens in football. The media and fans were so focused on Bale returning, that was West Ham’s team talk sorted. Yes we should’ve won and hopefully we won’t fuck up again and be better for it in the long run.

 

[PeeEyeEmPee]

His whole training life has probably been, control the ball and pass it, not hoof it clear. He tried to do what he has been trained to do but unfortunately he failed and from this Lanzini smashed it in.

You genuinely believe that a professional footballer with both European and international experience has never been taught to get the ball as far away from danger as he can in situations such as yesterday's?

We all view this with hindsight but no one thought Lanzini would do that if Winks failed with his control, obviously if he knew that he would have smashed it.

Ok so he does know to clear the ball then? He just analysed the situation incorrectly then.

It doesn't matter what anybody thought might happen. You don't give the ball to the opponent to find out.