Harry Kane

[wadewill]

I think he meant Haaland.

that I did

 

[thekneaf]

Again you misunderstanding the difference between price and value.

If you think the price of a player is based purely on their quality then you haven’t been paying attention.

I mean, you're now being quite patronising. I've laid out how I understand these things.

I've shown why I don't think Rashford justifies that value on performance. I've also highlighted that he isn't that valuable to United. I can debate you, we can disagree and I'll accept that, but don't make out I'm not addressing your issues.

 

[spursfan77]

Rashford would be one of the worst value players in world football.

His age, nationality, club, international caps and position add to a very expensive player.

Im not giving him the kiss of death until after we play them!

 

[thekneaf]

I think the assumption that me and or other people have a less a grasp on worth/ cost / value does the board a disservice.

There are people here that just don't believe Rashford is that valuable. I think United would swap Rashford for either Haaland or Sancho no questions asked. That's my opinion. I would if I was offered the choice.

 

[TimNiceButDim]

This has got me so excited for the restart.
He’s an absolute beast - left foot, right foot, headers, tap ins, curlers, thunderstrikes, skillz & scoring whilst falling over! All in half a season too. Man has it all and the heart of lion.
Honoured to call him our captain

 

[dontcallme]

I mean, you're now being quite patronising. I've laid out how I understand these things.

I've shown why I don't think Rashford justifies that value on performance. I've also highlighted that he isn't that valuable to United. I can debate you, we can disagree and I'll accept that, but don't make out I'm not addressing your issues.

Rashford has played over 30 league games for the last 3 seasons. This season he has scored 14 in 22 this season. Utd won't sell a 22 year old who plays almost every game for anything other than a high fee.

I said in an earlier post he'd be one of the worst players for value but thinking they'd sell him for anything other than a sky high fee just wouldn't happen.

TBH your posts seem to make the mistake of thinking Rashford's fee is connected to your rating of him.

 

[nailsy]

Haaland has a relatively low release clause which will have an impact on his value. He's also a bit of a dick in interviews which will make him less marketable than certain other players.

 

[dontcallme]

Haaland has a relatively low release clause which will have an impact on his value. He's also a bit of a dick in interviews which will make him less marketable than certain other players.

 

[thekneaf]

Haaland has a relatively low release clause which will have an impact on his value. He's also a bit of a dick in interviews which will make him less marketable than certain other players.

It's rumoured at €60m but the athletic say it is much much higher. Which is perfectly believable, more believable than a €60m clause.

 

[thebenjamin]

Rashford has played over 30 league games for the last 3 seasons. This season he has scored 14 in 22 this season. Utd won't sell a 22 year old who plays almost every game for anything other than a high fee.

I said in an earlier post he'd be one of the worst players for value but thinking they'd sell him for anything other than a sky high fee just wouldn't happen.

TBH your posts seem to make the mistake of thinking Rashford's fee is connected to your rating of him.

By the same token, there's literally no way on earth Levy would sell Kane for £100m.

 

[Shadydan]

By the same token, there's literally no way on earth Levy would sell Kane for £100m.

Of course he wouldn't, the article is saying what the players are valued at now, it's not a definitive guide on what a club should/would sell them for. Kane hasn't played since new year's day due to injuries (his 2nd major injury in a year) so his value has plummeted and by his standards he's coming off a down year, Neymar is 37th on the list valued at €82.7m, why? because he's had an inconsistent season with injuries. Hazard (€65.5m) and Pogba (€50.6m) the same, they are way down the list.

You should think of these values as if you were trading these players on a market, the value will fluctuate depending on factors such as form, injury status, club, league, contract, potential etc...

In regards to the Rashford/Haaland debate, again the arguments I keep hearing are subjective...he should be this amount, Man Utd should do this etc. . but lets deal with facts. Haaland who is still playing in his debut season in a top league who has a release clause of £63m - if he was playing for Man Utd performing the same his value would be similar to what Rashford is now. But the reality is that Rashford is 'worth' more because of the club, the league, the performances, the form, the potential despite the injury and to be honest I'm not entirely convinced that It's would swap Haaland for Rashford this season anyway because if anyone had been paying attention to Rashford this season he was hitting some serious form.

 

[thekneaf]

Of course he wouldn't, the article is saying what the players are valued at now, it's not a definitive guide on what a club should/would sell them for. Kane hasn't played since new year's day due to injuries (his 2nd major injury in a year) so his value has plummeted and by his standards he's coming off a down year, Neymar is 37th on the list valued at €82.7m, why? because he's had an inconsistent season with injuries. Hazard (€65.5m) and Pogba (€50.6m) the same, they are way down the list.

You should think of these values as if you were trading these players on a market, the value will fluctuate depending on factors such as form, injury status, club, league, contract, potential etc...

In regards to the Rashford/Haaland debate, again the arguments I keep hearing are subjective...he should be this amount, Man Utd should do this etc. . but lets deal with facts. Haaland who is still playing in his debut season in a top league who has a release clause of £63m - if he was playing for Man Utd performing the same his value would be similar to what Rashford is now. But the reality is that Rashford is 'worth' more because of the club, the league, the performances, the form, the potential despite the injury and to be honest I'm not entirely convinced that It's would swap Haaland for Rashford this season anyway because if anyone had been paying attention to Rashford this season he was hitting some serious form.

He doesn't have a release clause of €65m. That's conjecture, illogical fundamentally and refuted by the athletic.

We are talking about value. This would factor in competition on the market just as working out the value of a Picasso painting. How many people would try to buy it if it's on the open market? How much does the seller want to sell? What have similar works sold for? What is the resale value?

We're all talking about personal opinion here. I also understand something of data science and how inputs impact outputs, in this case a value judgement.

All that's happening is people disagreeing on the valuation of Haaland and Rashford in comparison with each other. It's not being subjective or being financially illiterate, it's just a disagreement on a valuation. It's also in completely the wrong thread, but that's my fault.

 

[Shadydan]

He doesn't have a release clause of €65m. That's conjecture, illogical fundamentally and refuted by the athletic.

We are talking about value. This would factor in competition on the market just as working out the value of a Picasso painting. How many people would try to buy it if it's on the open market? How much does the seller want to sell? What have similar works sold for? What is the resale value?

We're all talking about personal opinion here. I also understand something of data science and how inputs impact outputs, in this case a value judgement.

All that's happening is people disagreeing on the valuation of Haaland and Rashford in comparison with each other. It's not being subjective or being financially illiterate, it's just a disagreement on a valuation. It's also in completely the wrong thread, but that's my fault.

Well whether he has a release clause or not my point still stands, my argument doesn't rest on a release clause, it was merely a factor as to why his value is where it is.

Not sure I understand your comparison values of paintings don't fluctuate as much as football players either, I don't actually understand your point here?

I though a disagreement of valuation is the definition of a subjective opinion though is it not?

 

[thekneaf]

Well whether he has a release clause or not my point still stands, my argument doesn't rest on a release clause, it was merely a factor as to why his value is where it is.

Not sure I understand your comparison values of paintings don't fluctuate as much as football players either, I don't actually understand your point here?

I though a disagreement of valuation is the definition of a subjective opinion though is it not?

You're framing other people's arguments as just subjective inferring more weight on yours. This is dismissive and wrong.

Paintings fluctuate less once a painter is established. I'd argue that for modern works the market fluctuates more. The point isn't a direct comparison, as you're aware. You seem highly literate, so I get the impression you do in fact understand my point. I merely presented it to show an understanding of value.

I also understand you need valuations in markets, it's a factor in how you work out whether to buy or sell. Of course, as you mention, football isn't moneyball, it's not the only consideration.

 

[Shadydan]

You're framing other people's arguments as just subjective inferring more weight on yours. This is dismissive and wrong.

Paintings fluctuate less once a painter is established. I'd argue that for modern works the market fluctuates more. The point isn't a direct comparison, as you're aware. You seem highly literate, so I get the impression you do in fact understand my point. I merely presented it to show an understanding of value.

I also understand you need valuations in markets, it's a factor in how you work out whether to buy or sell. Of course, as you mention, football isn't moneyball, it's not the only consideration.

Hmm I think we'll leave it at that.

 

[longtimespur]

That old nugget…....... "let's his football do the talking".

 

['O Zio]

On Kane, I was just thinking today that the break might've done him the world of good. We all know he repeatedly forces his way back into the team when he's not fully recovered usually but not having any games has meant he's had no choice but to wait. Will hopefully mean he can hit the ground running.

 

[Gassin's finest]

This is actually so refreshing. He'll be like Paul Scholes; great footballer but hates the limelight.

 

[Locotoro]

This is actually so refreshing. He'll be like Paul Scholes; great footballer but hates the limelight.

I don't think he hates the limelight. Not sure that could be said of any striker. I think he's had a lifetime of watching his dad do interviews and perhaps sees the same questions again and again. He's seems irritated almost by the questions in a way Zlatan would be.

 

[EQP]

Hat-trick confirmed

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