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Paulo Gazzaniga

BringBack_leGin

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Gary Jacob tends not to be a bullshitter so this may well have legs. Shame as I think we need three but maybe Whiteman is set to be number 3.
 

yankspurs

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Yep A motivated Joe Hart is a huge upgrade
Maybe 3-4 years ago. Joe Hart almost got Burnley relegated. Lost his place to Adrian he was so bad for West Ham. He isnt close to good anymore. He ships goal after goal. And with our defense? You’re asking for trouble. He isnt a good keeper anymore. Its not a confidence thing. He is shit.

Oh dear, we’re fucking idiots.
 

jurgen

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Not sure I want Hart at No.2 but Gazzaniga is definitely someone who can be sold to allow us more flexibility with a foreign player who'll be more use in the long term.
 

kmk

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Hugo has been back to his best under Jose’s GK coach. Hopefully the same coach can revive Hart.
 

yido_number1

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Hugo has been back to his best under Jose’s GK coach. Hopefully the same coach can revive Hart.
More chance of the titanic floating up to the surface and resurrecting it's career than Joe Hart reaching the top level again. As a 3rd choice he is fine but i'd rather have Gazzaniga as a second choice.
 

y1dk1d

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I have to say I liked Gazza. Wasn’t sure when we signed him but think he’s been a fairly decent stand in. His feet are great and he has made some important saves. But God he’s slow at diving. Low shots seem to be a real weak point, reminds me of Forster, any shot low and he struggles.

As many have pointed out the obvious, Gazza and Hart are probably fairly similar levels, but with Hart stepping in and potentially freeing up a HG place, it does make sense to move Paulo on, although I will never forget his distribution in that 2-0 win at the Emirates
 

yankspurs

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I have to say I liked Gazza. Wasn’t sure when we signed him but think he’s been a fairly decent stand in. His feet are great and he has made some important saves. But God he’s slow at diving. Low shots seem to be a real weak point, reminds me of Forster, any shot low and he struggles.

As many have pointed out the obvious, Gazza and Hart are probably fairly similar levels, but with Hart stepping in and potentially freeing up a HG place, it does make sense to move Paulo on, although I will never forget his distribution in that 2-0 win at the Emirates
Nah. Gazza’s a much better GK than Hart. Hart is a bad GK now. As a 3rd keeper to help the HG quota its whatever. But we are in serious trouble if we want to win cups with Hart as the #2. The hope is Hart doesnt have to play any more than a handful of minutes if that.
 

y1dk1d

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Nah. Gazza’s a much better GK than Hart. Hart is a bad GK now. As a 3rd keeper to help the HG quota its whatever. But we are in serious trouble if we want to win cups with Hart as the #2. The hope is Hart doesnt have to play any more than a handful of minutes if that.
He’s certainly had downs and clearly not fulfilled anywhere close to what he should be (I thought he would go on to be in the top 5 keepers in the world) but I don’t think he’s “a bad GK”.

He is capable to say at the least, has experience and a strong mentality. At the very least he’s on par with Gazza. Even if we had someone really good as “backup” like Patricio instead
of Gazza it would surely make sense to move him on, get some cash to reinvest, and free up a foreign spot for the squad
 

Rosco1984

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Maybe 3-4 years ago. Joe Hart almost got Burnley relegated. Lost his place to Adrian he was so bad for West Ham. He isnt close to good anymore. He ships goal after goal. And with our defense? You’re asking for trouble. He isnt a good keeper anymore. Its not a confidence thing. He is shit.

Oh dear, we’re fucking idiots.

So if it isn't a confidence thing how do you explain going from 75 England caps and multiple titles to being poor? did he get amnesia and completely forget how to play? One of his last England caps was away at Slovakia when we got absolutely battered but managed to draw because he was superb. He has been a good keeper and if signing him and selling Paulo means we get a right back who wont give away possession constantly or a left back who can cross then I am all for it. But I am interested in why you think he is "just shit now" if it isn't confidence?
 

brasil_spur

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Anyone who watched Joe Hart play for Moyes's West Ham or Burnley should know you don't want Joe Hart playing a lot of minutes in a sit deep counter attacking team and get here we seemingly are. Gazzaniga isn't really good either but at least he's got some youth and versatility for goalkeeping style. Ah well, off to my hole again before the Joe Hart truthers come and yell at me.
Not a truther but I think his form needs to be considered in context. Spurs are a better team than both West Ham and Burnley and have a better defensive record than both those teams. Yet Gazza has conceded twice as many goals as Hart over the same number of games during the last few seasons.

Hart also seems to be in a rejuvenated mental state right now and has far more winning experience and so for me I think there's very little to call between the two keepers.

Given we need to free up a HG spot or two then I don't think on the balance of it there's much risk in replacing Gazza with Hart.

The other factor is that there is such a small amount of time between the closing of the current transfer window and the opening of the new one that if it became apparent that Hart was awful and Lloris was out injured for a notable amount of time we could resolve this by signing someone else fairly quickly.

So is this a risk - yes a little bit. But IMO it's less risky than having absolutely no backup player whatsoever for Kane.
 

glospur

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Gazzaniga may be a better keeper than Hart, but is the difference between the two really so much that you would use a non-HG spot on a guy that's likely going to play less than 10 games anyway instead of an outfielder than could be in the first team or at least a decent rotational piece? Personally, I don't think so. I imagine these are the types of conversations that are going on at the club right now re: the HG quota.
 

rossdapep

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You need to see the bigger picture.

Hugo is likely to be fit and play 90% of the games - he's only had one long-term injury since he joined. Hart, if number 2, won't play that many games, therefore if Gazzaniga stays he's likely to not play many either or if at all.

So why not move him on, bring in a few million, make a another space for non HG player?

It makes sense.

I think people get too conscious about having 3 capable gks or a back up who is really good when in reality they are hardly needed.

Look at City, Ederson plays the majority of games, last year Allison had a short term injury and Adrian was poor yet it didn't effect them too much and Allison returned quickly. De Gea played pretty much all games for United.

In reality your second GK is used sparingly, your 1st team gk tends to stay fit most of the time. It's not like having a back up CB or CF who you really do need to rely on more often.

Vorm only played 1 game for us last season and that was with Hugo having an injury.

I'd rather have more options across the pitch than worry about 'what ifs' in a position that usually is fine on the injury front.
 

THFCSPURS19

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He’s certainly had downs and clearly not fulfilled anywhere close to what he should be (I thought he would go on to be in the top 5 keepers in the world) but I don’t think he’s “a bad GK”.
In his prime Hart was top 5 IMO.
 

brasil_spur

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In reality your second GK is used sparingly, your 1st team gk tends to stay fit most of the time. It's not like having a back up CB or CF who you really do need to rely on more often.
And we've not had a backup CF for a while now - I'd far rather we use our non HG place for a backup CF than a backup keeper.
 

freeeki

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If we can get a few million quid for Gazza, it makes sense to get him off the wage bill while he still has some sell-on value, let one of the two younger academy keepers step up to 3rd choice, and free up a non-HG place in the squad.

As much as we all love Gazza here, I can't imagine Jose watching his performances last season with fresh eyes and being particularly enamoured.
 

JonnySpurs

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Nice to see some people have to be total dicks about Joe Hart before he's even kicked a ball for us. Who needs rivals to be arseholes with fans like ours, hey?

Anyway, we should all note the huge improvement in form for Hugo since the restart of last season. He was outstanding and I say that having been one of his biggest critics.

Hart spoke superbly. He's motivated, healthy and there's no reason he can't show a similar resurgence in form like Hugo did under our current GK coach.

Gazza did fine when he played (apart from vs Chelsea at home) but it makes too much sense to move him on and replace him with Austin or Whiteman as 3rd choice. 2 non-HG spots freed up.
 

FibreOpticJesus

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Not a truther but I think his form needs to be considered in context. Spurs are a better team than both West Ham and Burnley and have a better defensive record than both those teams. Yet Gazza has conceded twice as many goals as Hart over the same number of games during the last few seasons.

Hart also seems to be in a rejuvenated mental state right now and has far more winning experience and so for me I think there's very little to call between the two keepers.

Is this just your opinion or have you any credible evidence to support your statement?
 
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