Opinion of AVB in hindsight?

[Spurger King]

There's also a mentality that runs through the club that things will go wrong. That we're not quite fit to be amongst the biggest clubs.

It's a self fulfilling prophesy. When we didn't invest after qualifying for the Champions League most fans backed the decision. Without solidifying our position we stood still while others strengthened. By freaking out that we would be the next Leeds we chickened out of raising the club to a new level.

There's still too much fear in the club.

I don't think the new stadium is going to massively close the gap on the top clubs. There are still huge deficits in external revenues.

I agree that it does seem to be a mentality running through the club. Not sure I agree with you on most fans backing the lack of investment after we got CL. Most fans I know saw it as a huge missed opportunity.

 

[TheGreenLily]

I agree that it does seem to be a mentality running through the club. Not sure I agree with you on most fans backing the lack of investment after we got CL. Most fans I know saw it as a huge missed opportunity.

A massive opportunity missed.

 

[For the love of Spurs]

Bale elevated the entire team under both Harry and AVB.

No he didn't bale was even our best player under Redknapp that was arguably Modric. Bale was great one game then average the next three or four, I remember him having some pretty dire games. The last 6 months of Bale's career at Spurs he was good pretty much every game, he had developed consistacy.

Redkanpp was not totally reliant on Bale, AVB was.

 

[Sevens]

No he didn't bale was even our best player under Redknapp that was arguably Modric. Bale was great one game then average the next three or four, I remember him having some pretty dire games. The last 6 months of Bale's career at Spurs he was good pretty much every game, he had developed consistacy.

Redkanpp was not totally reliant on Bale, AVB was.

Bale developed the knack in his final season of playing poorly and then popping up with a wonder goal. I felt quite often playing Bale on the right was to the detriment of the entire balance of the side. Bale may not have scored as many but for the good of the team we looked better when he was on the left.

People forget that when we finished 4th the first time under Redknapp Bale wasn't even a first team regular for half a season.

 

[Sevens]

I'm now waiting for the following threads:

Opinion of Juande Ramos in hindsight
Opinion of Martin Jol in hindsight
Opinion of Jacques Santini in hindsight
Opinion of David Pleat in hindsight
Opinion of Glen Hoddle in hindsight

Easy!

Ramos - All the variance ran his way, despite some baffling tactical decisions and team selections, up to the Cup final. Then it all fell apart because he stopped getting lucky. In his defence Comolli was awful at identifying gaps in the team and the kind of players required to fill them leaving Ramos with an unbalanced mess of a team.

Jol - Did well for us generally without really demonstrating he was an outstanding Manager. Seriously undermined once Arnesen left and another victim of Comolli scatter gun style purchases.

Santini - Clearly lied to before taking the job and undermined by Arnesen and Jol

Pleat - Held in high esteem by some Spurs fans because of what he fluked up on in 86/87. In reality he never set out to play 4-4-1-1 hence the signing of Claesen. He alienated many of told Spurs guard and the players he brought in, Gough aside, weren't of the required standard. Second time around he was a massive negative force towards Graham and Hoddle, undermining them both significantly.

Hoddle - For 6 months during 01/02 Spurs played the best football we've played since Hoddle himself played for us. It was a joy to watch. However he was too stubborn with his tactics and that, combined with Pleat undermining him, lead to his downfall. He was a tad unlucky as the Spurs didn't have the money when he was in charge and the transfer window was a new thing.

 

[Yiddosmithy]

Great fist season. not sure how much that was down to ale? or did AVB make Bale that good?

The start of the second season was mind numbingly boring and i was delighted when he was gone even for sherwood

He seemed to give us a lot better mentality (again largely down to bale imo) and the soft Tottenham underbelly is our biggest problem a least he recognised this and went some way to hopefully finally getting rid of it

 

[Metalhead]

Easy!

Ramos - All the variance ran his way, despite some baffling tactical decisions and team selections, up to the Cup final. Then it all fell apart because he stopped getting lucky. In his defence Comolli was awful at identifying gaps in the team and the kind of players required to fill them leaving Ramos with an unbalanced mess of a team.

Jol - Did well for us generally without really demonstrating he was an outstanding Manager. Seriously undermined once Arnesen left and another victim of Comolli scatter gun style purchases.

Santini - Clearly lied to before taking the job and undermined by Arnesen and Jol

Pleat - Held in high esteem by some Spurs fans because of what he fluked up on in 86/87. In reality he never set out to play 4-4-1-1 hence the signing of Claesen. He alienated many of told Spurs guard and the players he brought in, Gough aside, weren't of the required standard. Second time around he was a massive negative force towards Graham and Hoddle, undermining them both significantly.

Hoddle - For 6 months during 01/02 Spurs played the best football we've played since Hoddle himself played for us. It was a joy to watch. However he was too stubborn with his tactics and that, combined with Pleat undermining him, lead to his downfall. He was a tad unlucky as the Spurs didn't have the money when he was in charge and the transfer window was a new thing.

That was very interesting, particularly your thoughts on Pleat as he's generally considered to have been unfortunate to emerge from that season with nothing.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

I've given this a huge amount of thought since AVB left and have had several sleepless nights

My conclusions are:

Boring **** that could squat down very well for long periods of time and needed to clear his throat regularly

 

[Khilari]

From the BBC TW Feed:

AVB left frustrated
"One man who did not enjoy deadline day is the former Chelsea and Tottenham manager Andre Villas Boas - now the head coach of Russian side Zenit St Petersburg.

"Portuguese paper A Bola are speculating that his “position has been weakened” after being frustrated by the lack of transfer activity.

"Monaco's Joao Moutinho was the key player he is said to have missed out on.

"AVB is also said to be annoyed by a rule in Russian football that restricts the amount of foreign players that you can select in your starting 11."

No change there, then. Still after bloody Moutinho. Jesus Christ!

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Can't believe this thread is still alive. He did better than he got credit for.

 

[Shadydan]

LMAO the guy is still after Moutinho

 

[Lilbaz]

LMAO the guy is still after Moutinho

He's already got hulk.

 

[matty182]

https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/ex...-t-receive-it-from-their-clubs-142727547.html
This makes me think even less of AVB

 

[Lilbaz]

https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/ex...-t-receive-it-from-their-clubs-142727547.html
This makes me think even less of AVB

Cheers. Been saying this for ages. We fans and the clubs don't show loyalty to players so why should they show any loyalty to us.
Before critcising jenas have a look at how the fans treated him. Look at how many threads there were slagging him off.
If a player wants to leave let him go, get the best deal possible and wish him good luck. No bitterness. Clubs like Ajax and Porto manage to do it. So can we.

 

[NEVILLEB]

He's a text book manager who has read lots of books but has no natural feel for the game.

He pushed out an outstanding player in VDV and promoted average players throughout the squad.

Rubbish.

 

[CowInAComa]

From the BBC TW Feed:
AVB left frustrated
"One man who did not enjoy deadline day is the former Chelsea and Tottenham manager Andre Villas Boas - now the head coach of Russian side Zenit St Petersburg.

"Portuguese paper A Bola are speculating that his “position has been weakened” after being frustrated by the lack of transfer activity.

"Monaco's Joao Moutinho was the key player he is said to have missed out on.

"AVB is also said to be annoyed by a rule in Russian football that restricts the amount of foreign players that you can select in your starting 11."


No change there, then. Still after bloody Moutinho. Jesus Christ!

Always the victim.

Future Liverpool manager right there,

 

[mpickard2087]

Sounds like typical AVB. Needs endless signings and ready-made players. Offers very little in terms of player development and working with what he has already got. Never too far from throwing his toys out of the pram if he feels he hasn't had 110% backing.

 

[CowInAComa]

Didnt AVB plan on retiring from football management to go into car racing?

Reckon he is planning on it coinciding it with Moutinho hanging up his boots? clearly a man who doesnt believe in having a Plan B.

 

[eViL]

He pushed out an outstanding player in VDV

VDV wasn't pushed out - he was told he wouldn't be an automatic starter and would have to fight for his place in the team.

That's from VDV's own mouth.

 

[jonnyp]

Boring footballing philosophy. His high line was a joke both at Chelsea and with us. Never wanted him, glad he went.