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Hoopspur

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It's a typically distorted, wildy spun article from the Daily Mail. They've taken every option that could possibly go wrong and amplified it to kake it sound as ominous as possible.

Here's the important quotatio from a specialist solicitor, which negates the whole spin of the article:



It could create years of delay. But it probably won't.


Always what I've thought - it's just about the level of compensation although £25m sounds like a very fanciful figure at the moment on their part. Get Noel Edmonds on the case with his phone.
 

purple8

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At least Can Hoy wouldn't feel obliged , with continuing the stadium, they could just look at a permanent Wembley home that is crying out for a permanent tenant
 

Roynie

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At least Can Hoy wouldn't feel obliged , with continuing the stadium, they could just look at a permanent Wembley home that is crying out for a permanent tenant

Problem with Wembley is the limit on the number of events. I don't think that would be an option open to us and, frankly, I don't think many of ours fans would want it as a permanent home.
 

Flashspur

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They're not actually being greedy. If I was in their shoes I would do exactly the same thing. Business is business.

Why shouldn't they ask for £25m, or whatever the actual amount is? They are after all a business, and not a charity. I would do exactly the same as them were I in their position. And I've a feeling I wouldn't be the only one. Anyone who doesn't is a fool imo.
The law allows them to appeal a CPO, and they are. If the builders were outside, trowels at the ready, I believe Levy would have settled with them.

are you Harry Hotspur by any chance? I like the songs on Hotspurs half hour...(y)
 

Flashspur

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It's a typically distorted, wildy spun article from the Daily Mail. They've taken every option that could possibly go wrong and amplified it to kake it sound as ominous as possible.

Here's the important quotatio from a specialist solicitor, which negates the whole spin of the article:



It could create years of delay. But it probably won't.

exactly...they are holding the government and THFC to ransom....they have to have someone backing them substantially..this is expensive coin now that it is in appeal phase
 

RichieS

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@Harry Barber @beats1 and anyone else this applies to...

The Council/Spurs are not trying to acquire the Archway business, it's their land that is in demand. If the majority of reports are to be believed, they were offered a fair, market rate for their land (which is a definable and easily calculable quantity) and alternative premises on which to continue to operate - premises which most people would consider superior in at least expansion potential and location.

They absolutely are being obstinate, greedy and ignorant.
 

Krafty

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In essence, Archway basically don't like being told what to do, which is why they will continue to appeal and block until their money runs out.

If they were pure businessmen, they would take a good value for the land, some brand new premises, and maybe a little on top for their upheaval. I dont think they have anything against the club, they are just the kind of people who don't like the government telling them what they should do, probably don't like how their tax money is used, don't like politicians and happily take 'cash in hand' if and when the opportunity arises.

The problem isn't so much Archway, since I think we can all get annoyed at the authorities telling us what we can and can't do, but the processes take so, so long that its annoying that people can appeal such decisions without really a case to win the appeal.

Of course Archway are being totally unrealistic with the valuation of their land/business, but plenty of people do that with so many things in life.

I'm pleased Levy hasn't caved in to their demands, even though they are the final piece of the jigsaw.When Levy/ENIC took over we were nowhere near a new stadium, especially since Sugar had a terrible relationship with the council, and the extra £20million or whatever Archway are asking would buy a top class player for us. I'm sure Levy is just as frustrated as us but I feel we are taking the most sensibly route for a club in our position.
 

CoopsieDeadpool

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Mate, I don't know if you can remember, but it's only a couple of months ago that I spent 3 days 'debating' with Peter from Archway, on twitter? Well a couple of weeks after that 'debate' (which was posted on here) somebody appeared on Twitter & said that Peter/Archway were actually thinking of retiring altogether (I also posted that in this thread).

Obviously I can't know for sure that the info was correct, Peter, for some reason, decided to stop responding to my questions after the CPO was granted in favour of the council :whistle:, so I got no answer when I asked him if it was correct & he'd be retiring. I even took the time to message him to let him know that it's a sad state of affairs if this has all led to them shutting up shop, and I actually hope that isn't the case, but got no response.

Just though I'd add that because it had been spoken about previously in here, and maybe you never saw the discussion at the time.


Following on from the above post, Peter from Archway suddenly decided to 'follow' me on Twitter yesterday. This is a guy who has spent 2 months ignoring my questions, not responding to any personal messages I sent (I've not insulted the guy once). I've noticed in recent days that someone from within Archway has been telling the press that supporters have been phoning Archway & issuing death threats, or being abusive etc (I really hope that isn't true). So I'm now hoping that, after he randomly decided to follow me, he may actually be willing to answer my questions. So if anyone perhaps has some questions they'd like to ask, I could ask on your behalf & hopefully get a response. Obviously I can't make any promises that he will respond but I'll happily try to get something from him.
 

Stoof

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Following on from the above post, Peter from Archway suddenly decided to 'follow' me on Twitter yesterday. This is a guy who has spent 2 months ignoring my questions, not responding to any personal messages I sent (I've not insulted the guy once). I've noticed in recent days that someone from within Archway has been telling the press that supporters have been phoning Archway & issuing death threats, or being abusive etc (I really hope that isn't true). So I'm now hoping that, after he randomly decided to follow me, he may actually be willing to answer my questions. So if anyone perhaps has some questions they'd like to ask, I could ask on your behalf & hopefully get a response. Obviously I can't make any promises that he will respond but I'll happily try to get something from him.

Make sure you don't get dragged into a slagging match, coopsie. It's not worth the repercussions.
 

CoopsieDeadpool

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Also I'm infuriated by some people who support Archway based on some left-wing rhetoric about 'not being pushed around by a large corporation'. Central to all left-wing politics is the notion of individual sacrifice for the greater good and/or the idea that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. How on earth can anyone reconcile those ideals with what Archway are doing? They're screwing an entire area out of redevelopment (which the rest of the area is already committed to) because they want the big bad large corporation (which is the main source of revenue for the area) to fund their early retirement.

There is only one word to describe these people and its banned on here.


I can quote Peter Josef on this one, mate. "The area can still be redeveloped without you getting a new stadium, it (the area) doesn't need Tottenham or a new stadium".. When I pointed out that the stadium development is central to the full £1billion project that the council and Government stated was to happen to N17, Peter simply repeated his belief that the area doesn't need the stadium or the club.
 

beats1

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@Harry Barber @beats1 and anyone else this applies to...

The Council/Spurs are not trying to acquire the Archway business, it's their land that is in demand. If the majority of reports are to be believed, they were offered a fair, market rate for their land (which is a definable and easily calculable quantity) and alternative premises on which to continue to operate - premises which most people would consider superior in at least expansion potential and location.

They absolutely are being obstinate, greedy and ignorant.
Indeed, I just was going by the rumours of an extortionate amount wanted by Archways and them wanting to a big pay day before shutting up shop

Interestingly my dad said they were on sky sports saying they were hard done by blah blah. The reporter the asked him what they want? they said Market value. The reporter said why are you challenging the CPO if you only market value
Following on from the above post, Peter from Archway suddenly decided to 'follow' me on Twitter yesterday. This is a guy who has spent 2 months ignoring my questions, not responding to any personal messages I sent (I've not insulted the guy once). I've noticed in recent days that someone from within Archway has been telling the press that supporters have been phoning Archway & issuing death threats, or being abusive etc (I really hope that isn't true). So I'm now hoping that, after he randomly decided to follow me, he may actually be willing to answer my questions. So if anyone perhaps has some questions they'd like to ask, I could ask on your behalf & hopefully get a response. Obviously I can't make any promises that he will respond but I'll happily try to get something from him.
I said a while back they want spurs fans to be hostile to them and especially on match days and will record everything. Probably match days as well.
 

davidmatzdorf

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Interestingly my dad said they were on sky sports saying they were hard done by blah blah. The reporter the asked him what they want? they said Market value. The reporter said why are you challenging the CPO if you only market value?

This is interesting and reflects my own experience. It is a truth universally observed that landowners subject to a CPO have a notion of 'market value' that differs from that of the valuation expert appointed by the local council and that their notion of what their property is worth is 5, 10 or even 20 times what its actual market value is.

It's a very common delusion and, unfortunately, it is not difficult for the landowner to find a tame valuation expert who will tell them what they want to hear, resulting in the kind of 7 year impasse that we have seen here.

I can quote Peter Josif on this one, mate. "The area can still be redeveloped without you getting a new stadium, it (the area) doesn't need Tottenham or a new stadium".. When I pointed out that the stadium development is central to the full £1billion project that the council and Government stated was to happen to N17, Peter simply repeated his belief that the area doesn't need the stadium or the club.

And the delusion continues, also based, I reckon, on advice from tame 'experts'. The government, the council, the local MP, the press and the development industry don't even need to have it explained that a regeneration scheme needs a focal point that has to lever in private investment. These schemes cannot be done with public money anymore, because there is scarcely any public money, thanks to our current (and previous, though less so) government's policy of favouring tax cuts for the rich over public investment in infrastructure.

Mr Josif, his solicitor and his valuation adviser are probably the only people in London who reckon that it is feasible to regenerate Tottenham without THFC bringing in a half-billion pounds of inward investment: not just the new buildings, but the local jobs to build them and the local jobs to run the resulting businesses.
 
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Dan Yeats

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I'd really like to (get someone else to) punch AS in the face. This "little guy standing up to the big bad corporation" stuff particularly gets my goat. Through their actions N17 will now lose THFC for at least a season, and a number of "little guy" businesses will undoubtedly go to the wall because of it. Well done, "David". :facepalm:
 

CoopsieDeadpool

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I think we would have faced the same issue if VDV was still with us...;)

Seriously, though, those who want to question ENIC's decision making go for it. The way I see it is that 70 businesses have all moved, been relocated without a fuss so it's clear that ENIC aren't scrimping to ensure a business as usual approach for them.

If we offered over the odds to Archway because of their greed, surely THFC could then be opening a whole can of worms regarding valuations of the businesses that have already moved.

I firmly believe Archway are the ****s in this tug of war, knowing that ENIC/THFC have to play it by the book or risk everything, hoping to line their own pockets.

Would love to know how they can afford all the legal stuff...what sort of turnover does the company make??

https://www.opencompany.co.uk/company/01501004/archway-sheet-metal-works-limited


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Key Data
Company NameArchway Sheet Metal Works Limited
StatusActive
CategoryPrivate Limited Company
Company Number01501004
Registered Address1-3 Paxton Road
London
N17 0BP
Country OriginUnited Kingdom
Incorporation Date10 June 1980
Company Age34 years and 3 months
Classification (SIC)Manufacture of other fabricated metal products n.e.c. (25990)
Returns
Latest Returns12 October 2013 (10 months ago)
Next Returns Due9 November 2014 (2 months left)
Accounts
Latest Accounts28 February 2013 (1 year and 6 months ago)
Next Accounts Due30 November 2014 (2 months left)
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Mortgages
Charges1
Outstanding1
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Financial Figures
Showing data from accounts submitted on 28 February 2013. The next accounts are due for 30 November 2014.

Cash In Bank
£7,900
Current Liabilities
£864,686
Total Assets
£1,874,237
Net Worth
£1,009,551
Balance Sheet
FIXED ASSETS£875,476
Tangible Assets£875,476
CURRENT ASSETS£998,761
Debtors£331,616
Stocks£659,245
Cash£7,900
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Bofrok

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Following on from the above post, Peter from Archway suddenly decided to 'follow' me on Twitter yesterday. This is a guy who has spent 2 months ignoring my questions, not responding to any personal messages I sent (I've not insulted the guy once). I've noticed in recent days that someone from within Archway has been telling the press that supporters have been phoning Archway & issuing death threats, or being abusive etc (I really hope that isn't true). So I'm now hoping that, after he randomly decided to follow me, he may actually be willing to answer my questions. So if anyone perhaps has some questions they'd like to ask, I could ask on your behalf & hopefully get a response. Obviously I can't make any promises that he will respond but I'll happily try to get something from him.

I would agree with Stoof's reply, there's just no way of knowing what Peter is thinking. By 'following' you it could be that he is 'monitoring' you and maybe others who have contacted him on Twitter looking for anything he can use as 'evidence' and even an innocent joke comment could be taken out of context.
 

CoopsieDeadpool

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Come on, own up.

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This from the same guy who told me, "go fuck yourself" when I told him that the CPO would be ordered in favour of the council, despite me not saying a single derogatory thing to him.
 

CoopsieDeadpool

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A member of Josif Family suggests on facebook (a public post, but I won't post the link just to avoid any abuse) that they are not greedy and they are not asking for an unreasonable and huge amount of money. They want fair and spurs fans know nothing about the real situation.

IMO if their request amount of money is not unreasonable and justifiable, why don't they just say how much it is.


A question that I've repeatedly asked Peter, but have had no response. I told him, "if THFC have made you such a derisory offer, why don't you just go to the press and make it public? That would then endear you to those who believe you're just holding everything up to be bloody minded, whilst showing the world that the multi-million pound company are crapping all over a business that has resided in Tottenham for many years & would actually see you gain significantly more support from the people in N17"...

They've been on the local TV news, they've been in The Evening Standard, they've been in pretty much all the national news outlets. Why would they continually refuse to make our offer public if it's as derisory as the public are being led to believe? The motives of Archway are perfectly clear, they know they are ultimately going to lose this case, but they appear to not give a damn. I'd suggest that's why, when Peter has actually responded to me on twitter, has always finishes his response with, "Enjoy the wait for your new stadium"..

That is all they're interested in now. All of this is somewhere in my twitter timeline, along with a picture of his edited twitter bio (on the day the CPO was granted in favour of the council), which had a wonderfully kind "FOYS" written at the end.
 

CoopsieDeadpool

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What I'm really failing to grasp is there reluctance to move. As far as I'm aware; "I'm just nipping down the high street to pick up some sheet metal" is a phrase spoken by nobody, ever. Whether they are located in the current premises or a few hundred yards away is completely redundant as they are not reliant on customers wandering in off the street. I'd assume the majority of their customers are other local business who, we are told, are very much pro the regeneration of Tottenham. Surely the fact that the Josif family are doing their utmost to delay the project and stop all the other business greatly increasing their revenues would make them think twice about using their services and could result in them pissing off quite a few of their regulars..

I can't remember if I read it on their site, or whether Peter Josif told me on twitter, but I definitely remember reading that significant amount of their business (40% I think) is actually from customers overseas.
 
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