Milan Skriniar

Johnny J

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We really should have pushed the boat out for this guy. Our CBs just aren't good enough.
 

synththfc

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Once again, it seems we're going to be left that one player short because the people in power wouldn't take that last step. Frustrating.
 

ajspurs

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Is this even a viable option? Finances aside, we already have 5 CB's, two out on loan, players who can't even get into the squad who we'd probably like to offload like Gazzaniga and Rose. Just doesn't seem like we have the room before we permanently offload a few.

I did find the Rodon signing strange in that even though he looks a great prospect, I thought we only had the capacity for one CB and the strong preference for that CB to be of a very high standard.
 

yankspurs

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Is this even a viable option? Finances aside, we already have 5 CB's, two out on loan, players who can't even get into the squad who we'd probably like to offload like Gazzaniga and Rose. Just doesn't seem like we have the room before we permanently offload a few.

I did find the Rodon signing strange in that even though he looks a great prospect, I thought we only had the capacity for one CB and the strong preference for that CB to be of a very high standard.
It isnt now that Rodon has signed. In the summer, Dier, Toby and Davies need to be sold. We can then sign a few CB’s.
 

Dr Know

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Once again, it seems we're going to be left that one player short because the people in power wouldn't take that last step. Frustrating.
Respectfully

You have no clue what the club did or didn’t do to bring in this player.

Now for the rest my fellow fans, we had a fantastic window and a draw today (all be it throwing 2 points away), does not dismiss this fact........yes (Benitez style) FACT!

Personally, I think the subs were wrong and that’s what killed us. Those of you saying we should have killed the game, we were 3-0 up before HT! I like a high scoring game just like any other fan but our subs were not the kind of subs you put on to protect a lead. There’s a lot of games to be played and if we stick to the type of football we played in the first half, we can do something good this season.
 

ardiles

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Once again, it seems we're going to be left that one player short because the people in power wouldn't take that last step. Frustrating.
By most accounts, we’ve had one of the best TWs in ages. Despite the various setbacks (COVID situation / empty stadiums / loss of income / difficulty in getting rid of most of the deadwood), we still managed a good TW.

I still think we will try and get Skriniar (or a similar quality CB) in January .

The league is still very wide open with all top six sides dropping unexpected points after only 5 games.
 

spids

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You have no clue what the club did or didn’t do to bring in this player.

Now for the rest my fellow fans, we had a fantastic window and a draw today (all be it throwing 2 points away), does not dismiss this fact........yes (Benitez style) FACT!

Personally, I think the subs were wrong and that’s what killed us. Those of you saying we should have killed the game, we were 3-0 up before HT! I like a high scoring game just like any other fan but our subs were not the kind of subs you put on to protect a lead. There’s a lot of games to be played and if we stick to the type of football we played in the first half, we can do something good this season.
The problem was we started to defend the lead before the subs when Jose should have sent them out to win the second half 3-0 as well. Playing deep to defend the lead was bad and the subs then compounded the problem. Putting Bale on made us weaker defensively on the right as he didn’t put a shift in like Mourinho demands from his wide players (learning curve for Bale ahead). Wouldn’t have mattered if we were going for it as a team and playing higher, but as we sat in it demanded higher work rate. Taking Ndombele off meant we couldn’t keep the ball (Winks played a lot deeper than Ndombele but added nothing defensively), and taking Son off removed our pace / goal threat meaning they could push on even more on their right. The takeaways for Jose are:

1. Sissoko and Winks are a pathetic combination in CM (amazed he has still not worked that out).
2. Sanchez makes too many mistakes to be relied upon (amazed he has still not worked that out).
3. Aurier defends with rash naivety (hold on there’s a pattern emerging here).
4. Sissoko neither watches the ball or jumps when defending set pieces (wait it’s ground hog day....).
5. Integrating Bale will not be as simple as playing him instead of Bergwijn or Moura on the right as he has a much lower work ethic and fitness (at last - a new problem!).

It is clear to me we will not keep many clean sheets with so many long term problems defensively. So we need to use attack as the best form of defence. We should have scored 3 goals second half and won at a canter.
 

BringBack_leGin

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This thread is going to get bumped any time we defend poorly isn’t it 🙄

Skriniar does stop Sissoko volunteering the commanding position to their first goalscorer, and he doesn’t prevent a poor header from Kane and poor clearance from Winks for the equaliser. Perhaps he doesn’t make a rash header to shore an own goal. This is all assuming he doesn’t test positive for Covid while on international duty because signing for us is akin to a vaccine, of course.

We drew because after 67 minutes of thinking we’d won it and strolling about, as well as failing to add a fourth with some very near misses, we conceded and then lost our heads. The team lost this match, no specific individual. I see Sanchez and Aurier getting hammering all over, what about Reguilón, who was defensively suspect a few times and lucky not to give away a free kick as the last man? He was the one duped for the cross for goal number 2. What about Kane for hitting a good, but low percentage shot from distance to the near post which was saved when he had free team mates, two I think, to play in?

We made individual mistakes of course, but individual mistakes are almost always the result of a team drop in concentration and application, and I dare say Skriniar in for Sanchez does not magically change that. I’m not saying I want to see Sanchez, Sissoko and Aurier starting regularly, the former is not where I’d like him to be while the latter two in my opinion should be squad players, but results like yesterday’s happen because of the collective not the individuals.

If you look at yesterday’s stats, the result was actually a fair one despite our commanding lead. I know nobody wants to hear that, but possession, chances, territorial position, all very similar. In fact, West Ham had more than double our corners, and that doesn’t happen if they’re not posing a threat. Even if they relied on set pieces, they’re part of the game and we need to deal with them. We didn’t. We had a big lead, we have far better players, but in the day the result which came to pass was probably a fair reflection on proceedings and that’s down to us, as a team, not actually playing consistently well for the majority of the match. Many exciting and great moments, yes, but I personally think we started coasting out of gear from about the 25th minute, and that’s what cost two points ultimately. Skriniar doesn’t solve that.
 
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Rosco1984

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This thread is going to get bumped any time we defend poorly isn’t it 🙄

Skriniar does stop Sissoko volunteering the commanding position to their first goalscorer, and he doesn’t prevent a poor header from Kane and poor clearance from Winks for the equaliser. Perhaps he doesn’t make a rash header to shore an own goal. This is all assuming he doesn’t test positive for Covid while on international duty because signing for us is akin to a vaccine, of course.

We drew because after 67 minutes of thinking we’d won it and strolling about, as well as failing to add a fourth with some very near misses, we conceded and then lost our heads. The team lost this match, no specific individual. I see Sanchez and Aurier getting hammering all over, what about Reguilón, who was defensively suspect a few times and lucky not to give away a free kick as the last man? He was the one duped for the cross for goal number 2. What about Kane for hitting a good, but low percentage shot from distance to the near post which was saved when he had free team mates, two I think, to play in?

We made individual mistakes of course, but individual mistakes are almost always the result of a team drop in concentration and application, and I dare say Skriniar in for Sanchez does not magically change that. I’m not saying I want to see Sanchez, Sissoko and Aurier starting regularly, the former is not where I’d like him to be while the latter two in my opinion should be squad players, but results like yesterday’s happen because of the collective not the individuals.

If you look at yesterday’s stats, the result was actually a fair one despite our commanding lead. I know nobody wants to hear that, but possession, chances, territorial position, all very similar. In fact, West Ham had more than double our corners, and that doesn’t happen if they’re not posing a threat. Even if they relied on set pieces, they’re part of the game and we need to deal with them. We didn’t. We had a big lead, we have far better players, but in the day the result which came to pass was probably a fair reflection on proceedings and that’s down to us, as a team, not actually playing consistently well for the majority of the match. Many exciting and great moments, yes, but I personally think we started costing out of gear from short the 25th minute, and that’s what cost is two points ultimately. Skriniar doesn’t solve that.
You mention we lost our heads I am sorry but for all the natural talent he has Sanchez is a complete composure black hole he has panic in his game and panic in a defence spreads. You can see it in his first few touches everygame it takes him time to settle then once we are on top he starts to look solid but as soon as the pressure comes on he panics and that panic spreads across the rest of the team he is not a bad player he just unfortunately lacks the most important quality for any centre back calmness and composure.
 

philip

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You mention we lost our heads I am sorry but for all the natural talent he has Sanchez is a complete composure black hole he has panic in his game and panic in a defence spreads. You can see it in his first few touches everygame it takes him time to settle then once we are on top he starts to look solid but as soon as the pressure comes on he panics and that panic spreads across the rest of the team he is not a bad player he just unfortunately lacks the most important quality for any centre back calmness and composure.
The making of Ledley was playing alongside Naybet for Spurs and Southgate for England. They coached him through the game and training.

Sanchez needs the same.
 

USAYID

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The making of Ledley was playing alongside Naybet for Spurs and Southgate for England. They coached him through the game and training.

Sanchez needs the same.
Sanchez has trained and played with Toby and Jan for years. He's still young and has time to improve, but these brainfarts of his have been costing us points for a while.
 

Spurs1961

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The making of Ledley was playing alongside Naybet for Spurs and Southgate for England. They coached him through the game and training.

Sanchez needs the same.
King only played once with southgate at centre back
 

Mark_147

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Sanchez has trained and played with Toby and Jan for years. He's still young and has time to improve, but these brainfarts of his have been costing us points for a while.
The problem is we were poor on set pieces last season with Toby and Jan, then we dropped Jan and brought in Sanchez, but we were still poor on set pieces. Then we drop Sanchez and play Toby and dier against Everton, again we're still poor on set pieces. Then Dier doesn't play due to injury and we again try Toby and Sanchez but again no improvement. At some point the coaching staff have to take responsibility because there are teams in the bottom half of the table with worse defenders who defend set pieces better than us.
 
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