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Jose Mourinho

How do you feel about Mourinho appointment

  • Excited - silverware here we come baby

    Votes: 666 46.7%
  • Meh - will give him a chance and hope he is successful

    Votes: 468 32.8%
  • Horrified - praying for the day he'll fuck off

    Votes: 292 20.5%

  • Total voters
    1,426

Bobby TwoShots

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What I've read is that he uses drills to encourage trusting your instincts in attack, over choreographed plays that Klopp and Pep favour. It's not that he doesn't know how to, its just not his philosophy. It's actually a philosophy he shares with Poch. Only Poch, at our peak favored pressing a team into mistakes and then using instinct to capitalise on the lack of defensive structure.

Jose rather uses a medium block, yes a bit dull, to encourage a team out of their block and then to hit with fast transitions.

You don't need to enjoy it, but it is a plan.

Disingenuous journalists say its that he doesn't know how, Jose would argue that he gets results.

I also believe that Sacramento was brought in to add more to the offensive tactics specifically.
Great, when's he gonna start? :)
 

Wig

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May 23, 2018
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Mourinho is just like Tony Pulis he does not understand Creative Attacking football. I read an interview with Sneijder recently saying how great Mourinho was because he sent him back to Holland a week of a game and did not expect him back until the day before and Pulis used to do similar things with Matthew Etherington where he did not have to train before games. Mourinho has always relied on individual talent to create his attacking play, Robben, Lampard, Deco, Hazard and Sneijder. He has no attacking system he just relies on individual creativity and then the team behind them being organised. TAA and Robertson would fail in Mourinho side, just like Luke Shaw did.
For you to say that a manager of Mourinho's calbre and achievements "is just like Tony Pulis he does not understand Creative Attacking football", is one of the most ridiculous statements I have come across on this forum. Everyone's entitled to their own personal opinion, but come on. You don't win all the silverware he has, breaking records along the way, without coaching the individual talents to work together as a team.
 

emiley heskey

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I've also said many many times that the football shouldn't always be horrific under Jose but I don't think it will be once he sorts out the defensive organisation and hopefully gets some better attacking players (BIG IF).

His most recently successful and half decent to watch team was Chelsea and his line-up was something like:

Courtious

Ivanovic
Terry
Cahill
Azpi

Matric
Fabreagas

Willian
Oscar
Hazard

Costa

They were solid but also scored a lot of good goals but the differences between that team and the one we have are:
-Much better defenders as individuals (we'd need to upgrade the full-backs for sure)
-They had a proper DM in Matic, neither Winks or Sissoko fit that profile hence Hoyjberg interest
-Fabregas (Winks could do a similar role or GLC but i'd rather see GLC play as n.o 10 like yesterday in which case we need Ndombele to step up and play this role or sell him and buy a true creative deep lying CM)
-Upgrade our attacking midfielders or at least get more depth, Willian is/was more effective than Lucas going forwards although Lucas does do well defensively, Bergweign is a good talent but not quite there yet. GLC can be our Oscar for sure and Son can come close to Hazard and Kane can do what Costa does.

So to me we are not a million miles away from this and this team was reasonably ok to watch whilst also successful in winning the league.

I don't want us to play such dire football that I'd rather watch the missus paint her nails but it would also be nice to see us win a half decent trophy and so this is where results are key, if Jose wants to play this pragmatic way especially until the team are more solid and confident defensively before working more on attacking phases of play then no problem but we will need to see positive results which we have done since the re-start. If results are poor then I'm with you I will not be supporting us playing awful boring football and getting mediocre results but the way I see it is that there has to be a little bit of give and take.

Lets give Jose a bit more time to sort the balance of the side out and hopefully get some new players in and I think the results and enjoyment of the performances will pick up but unfortunately he's a defensive pragmatic coach so he needs top class consistent attacking creative players the likes of Willian and Hazard and Son and Kane to consistently perform each game because his attacking tactics will not be at the level of Pep or Klopp as his philosophy is completely opposite.

I think things can pick up performance wise to a level we as fans will be ok with and if that means we then lift the FA Cup next year surely when/if that day comes we'd all have a different perspective :)

But longer term I don't want Jose and this style of football either so I hope the next man is either Poch's return or Nagglesman or a younger more positive coach more in the style of play we want to see (once Jose has got us a tin pot or two hopefully)

This is the kind of football that when Jose has the right balance of players his teams can play: 6 past the gooners :)

Chelsea 6-0 Arsenal


The differences are as I said above in terms of the quality of players we have, mainly if you see these highlights most goals are scored in transition with Matic and D.Luiz winning the ball driving forwards and the front 3 causing havoc. Now I'm sorry but firsty our defence has not been solid enough as a platform to enable this and I see why Jose has tried to sort that out first and secondly our attacking players currently also aren't good enough, moving GLC to n.o10 is a positive sign and as he grows in confidence he'll become a consistent goalscoring and creative threat but when have you ever seen Lucas get the ball where Schurlle did and drive at the defence and hit it bottom corner? He just runs into players and is fouled or falls over, Bergweign did exactly what Schurlle did vs Man.U but hit the shot at De gea but still he was direct and scored and he has real potential but these are the nuances of difference that given time and some better players we COULD slowly see us becoming very effective at this mid-block and fast transition style, sure its not tiki taka and lots of posession but if we played like Chelsea did in this game beating arsenal 6-0 (could've been 10-0) then I don't think our fans will be bored or wanting to watch the missus do the washing up instead.

So for me its not blind optimism with Jose its just that lets see what happens if we can give him some more time and some players to fit more the style he wants to play and we could then all be a lot happier with what we are being served up.

But part of this is down to Levy and can he get Jose some half decent suitable players in the door.
If we could line-up next season or eventually something like the below then we could be a hell of a team:

Lloris

Aarons
Toby/new top CB
Dier
Chilwell (Obviously we won't sign him but someone similar)

Hojberg
Winks/Ndombele or new CM

Coutiniho/Willian or someone of similar quality (an upgrade on Lucas)
GLC
Son

Kane (Back-up to Kane so he's more fresh during games)

COYS


So basically Jose used AZPI as a left back despite him being a right footer? Interesting. Also Azpi is quite defensive player compared to ivanovic ... No wonder Jose Likes Ben Davies ....
 

Ledley's Right Foot

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That cuts both ways.

To be fair, I'd reckon only a handful of fans would have said they wanted mourinho before he was appointed, so it doesn't cut entirely both ways. There are certainly fans that actively dislike him and want him out of the club and then there are fans that want to give him a chance to do well, that is more like how it cuts.

And then there is everyone on the SC - which is simply beyond the capabilities of anyone to explain(guilty as charged).
 

RikkiRocket

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Dele was an open secret but that doesn't mean pleat wasnt the one pushing us to sign him.

I go to quite a few reserve games ,not just spurs ones either and pleat is always at our ones and I often see him at other games.

Pleat got us Matty Etherington and Simon Davies.

Your welcome ???
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Nov 15, 2018
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So basically Jose used AZPI as a left back despite him being a right footer? Interesting. Also Azpi is quite defensive player compared to ivanovic ... No wonder Jose Likes Ben Davies ....
I think he also had A.Cole as well and to be fair Azpi can still attack fairly well as he's even showing under Lampard getting quite a few assists in recent games but yea generally Jose wants one full-back to be very attacking and the other to sit back more so I think Ben.Davies is ok and Jose certainly will like him but I also think he can be improved upon.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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I actually really miss his uefa cup commentary. His mis pronunciations were amazing. (y)


e - ha I randomly found this, pleaty gets cut off for answering beglin's question. :D


lol "no pain with out gain, they need to compete and not get beat" does he think he's Muhammed Ali or something. He's hilarious. I listened to a podcast recently I think it was with Erik Edman or someone around that era who played when Pleat was caretaker for a bit and he was saying how he was such a dinosaur with his training and tactics and no-one respected or listened to him.
 

Metalhead

But that's a debate for another thread.....
Nov 24, 2013
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My concern is that in the past Mourinho has relied on some incredibly talented individuals to give the crowd their entertainment. Drogba and Ibrahimovic were prime examples. He tried to do the same bringing in Alexis Sanchez on eyewatering money and failed miserably. In our situation though I can see the reverse happening. Our exciting players will be looking for a way out and Levy won't be spending the cash to bring any 'bums off seats' players in. Our forward play already seems to have withered and died and the results we have got have come from as many own goals and flukes as anything else. I wouldn't blame Kane or Son for thinking 'fuck this, I'm off'.
That very much depends if they've bought into Jose's project or not. We kind of have to assume they have unless proven otherwise.
 

Metalhead

But that's a debate for another thread.....
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Etherington never developed as well as hoped but I recall Davies doing very well until he was blighted by injuries.
It's always difficult to be certain whether a prospect will polish up into a diamond. Etherington was definitely the bigger prospect but it's definitely fair to say that Davies worked out better.
 

Ionman34

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Jun 1, 2011
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Because you don't have polar opposites regarding JM in this conversation.

Those that want him out are blind to anything other than he is a former manager of Chelsea, so they hate him regardless. The rest are saying he needs time to build a winning team/squad and will give him that time regardless of whether they like him or not.

So no, it doesn't cut both ways.
 

Ionman34

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Jun 1, 2011
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What I've read is that he uses drills to encourage trusting your instincts in attack, over choreographed plays that Klopp and Pep favour. It's not that he doesn't know how to, its just not his philosophy. It's actually a philosophy he shares with Poch. Only Poch, at our peak favored pressing a team into mistakes and then using instinct to capitalise on the lack of defensive structure.

Jose rather uses a medium block, yes a bit dull, to encourage a team out of their block and then to hit with fast transitions.

You don't need to enjoy it, but it is a plan.

Disingenuous journalists say its that he doesn't know how, Jose would argue that he gets results.

I also believe that Sacramento was brought in to add more to the offensive tactics specifically.
Indeed.

For someone who is apparently "clueless" when it comes to attacking play, his teams score an awful lot of goals once he has them playing the way he wants them to.
 

enfieldyid

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Because you don't have polar opposites regarding JM in this conversation.

Those that want him out are blind to anything other than he is a former manager of Chelsea, so they hate him regardless. The rest are saying he needs time to build a winning team/squad and will give him that time regardless of whether they like him or not.

So no, it doesn't cut both ways.
I gave him a chance, then I paid to go to the Chelsea Home and Red Bull Lepzig games. The Chelsea Game where we were completely outplayed by a 19 year old midfielder. I realised he was done. I wasted my money going to see that rubbish. Then there was the RB Lepzig game where we created nothing and I do not care we had no forwards. We chose not to create anything that was his tactic was to defend and that was it. Mourinho does not know how to set up attacking play.
 

Japhet

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Because you don't have polar opposites regarding JM in this conversation.

Those that want him out are blind to anything other than he is a former manager of Chelsea, so they hate him regardless. The rest are saying he needs time to build a winning team/squad and will give him that time regardless of whether they like him or not.

So no, it doesn't cut both ways.

That's about as biased an assessment of the situation you could possibly ask for.
 

Ledley's Right Foot

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I gave him a chance, then I paid to go to the Chelsea Home and Red Bull Lepzig games. The Chelsea Game where we were completely outplayed by a 19 year old midfielder. I realised he was done. I wasted my money going to see that rubbish. Then there was the RB Lepzig game where we created nothing and I do not care we had no forwards. We chose not to create anything that was his tactic was to defend and that was it. Mourinho does not know how to set up attacking play.

Well, at least you gave him three months to prove himself. Something is better than nothing. Trying to think of a manager who landed mid season in a failing team and got them playing exciting, attacking and winning football within 3 months. If I think of one, I'll pass it on.

They were terrible games mind. That I can agree with.
 

Bobby TwoShots

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Because you don't have polar opposites regarding JM in this conversation.

Those that want him out are blind to anything other than he is a former manager of Chelsea, so they hate him regardless. The rest are saying he needs time to build a winning team/squad and will give him that time regardless of whether they like him or not.

So no, it doesn't cut both ways.
Being the former manager of Chelsea isn't why people want him out. It's his boring crappy football. You could just as easily say those who support him are blinded by his record.
 

archiewasking

Waiting for silverware..........
Jul 5, 2004
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Dele was an open secret but that doesn't mean pleat wasnt the one pushing us to sign him.

I go to quite a few reserve games ,not just spurs ones either and pleat is always at our ones and I often see him at other games.

Just don't accept any offer of a lift....
 

Metalhead

But that's a debate for another thread.....
Nov 24, 2013
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Being the former manager of Chelsea isn't why people want him out. It's his boring crappy football. You could just as easily say those who support him are blinded by his record.
I don’t think that anyone is blinded by the idea of him playing stellar football but yes, blinded by his pedigree - hardly an unfair or unreasonable basis to prejudge someone.
 

Bobby TwoShots

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I don’t think that anyone is blinded by the idea of him playing stellar football but yes, blinded by his pedigree - hardly an unfair or unreasonable basis to prejudge someone.
Agree. But then neither is judging him on the quality of the football he's delivered so far. Hence @Japhet's point: "it cuts both ways"
 
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