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Jose Mourinho

How do you feel about Mourinho appointment

  • Excited - silverware here we come baby

    Votes: 666 46.7%
  • Meh - will give him a chance and hope he is successful

    Votes: 468 32.8%
  • Horrified - praying for the day he'll fuck off

    Votes: 292 20.5%

  • Total voters
    1,426

DOX

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In October 2018, Spurs were set to face Lionel Messi and his Barcelona side without the key quartet of Christian Eriksen, Dele Alli, Mousa Dembele and Jan Vertonghen.

Ahead of the match, Pochettino said: "We are not victims. We play tomorrow - we win, draw or lose but we are not victims. We accept everything.

"We have bad luck with injuries but it's not the moment to talk about each injury. We are strong because we are Tottenham and every player must feel he is able to win.

"This is my fifth season in Tottenham and never I put excuses because of injuries. I don't want easy excuses. When you build a team of 25 players, all must feel important.

"We believe we are going to win with young guys or senior players. That is our mentality. I am not a victim in football or in life."

My Gaffer.
Poch might've moaned (a lot) at the end... But that was towards Levy & co, never the players. And he always set up the team to dominate and be at the forefront of the game... It didn't always succeed, but at least, that was always the aim. Much unlike Mourinho.

Judging by the demeanour of the current crop, they even look more miserable than Christian Eriksen. Something is very, very rotten at Tottenham.
 

Phomesy

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Aug 20, 2013
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In October 2018, Spurs were set to face Lionel Messi and his Barcelona side without the key quartet of Christian Eriksen, Dele Alli, Mousa Dembele and Jan Vertonghen.

Ahead of the match, Pochettino said: "We are not victims. We play tomorrow - we win, draw or lose but we are not victims. We accept everything.

"We have bad luck with injuries but it's not the moment to talk about each injury. We are strong because we are Tottenham and every player must feel he is able to win.

"This is my fifth season in Tottenham and never I put excuses because of injuries. I don't want easy excuses. When you build a team of 25 players, all must feel important.

"We believe we are going to win with young guys or senior players. That is our mentality. I am not a victim in football or in life."

My Gaffer.

I fucking loved that night at Wembley. We were always in the game. Always fighting. Winks slide/hook tackling Messi in the centre of the pitch and running the ball back into attack.

Just getting to watch Messi play.

Wonderful night of supporting Spurs.

Good memories (y)
 

philll

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Aug 31, 2012
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Poch might've moaned (a lot) at the end... But that was towards Levy & co, never the players. And he always set up the team to dominate and be at the forefront of the game... It didn't always succeed, but at least, that was always the aim. Much unlike Mourinho.
Sometimes I think people have conveniently forgotten the last year or so of Poch's time with us.
 

Nebby

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Dec 27, 2013
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I just don't buy this. Our attacking players are getting swamped game after game because the team is being set up so defensively.

Injuries haven't helped, but no way is Mourinho getting anywhere near the best out of the current crop of players.

Even allowing for the injuries, two different managers have struggled to get a tune out of this squad. Maybe the problem is the squad?
 

dudu

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Jan 28, 2011
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In October 2018, Spurs were set to face Lionel Messi and his Barcelona side without the key quartet of Christian Eriksen, Dele Alli, Mousa Dembele and Jan Vertonghen.

Ahead of the match, Pochettino said: "We are not victims. We play tomorrow - we win, draw or lose but we are not victims. We accept everything.

"We have bad luck with injuries but it's not the moment to talk about each injury. We are strong because we are Tottenham and every player must feel he is able to win.

"This is my fifth season in Tottenham and never I put excuses because of injuries. I don't want easy excuses. When you build a team of 25 players, all must feel important.

"We believe we are going to win with young guys or senior players. That is our mentality. I am not a victim in football or in life."

My Gaffer.

After losing to Brighton 3-0

“It was a tough game, difficult. First of all, I want to say thank-you to our fans for helping us and making the effort to stay here with us. We know how they feel - very disappointed - and we share the same feelings. All I can say is thanks for their support. Then yes, it was disappointing. It was a massive impact, Hugo, and to concede after three minutes. That is a problem you cannot manage."
 

TheHoddleWaddle

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Dec 13, 2013
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So Poch's responsible for Bergwijn's injury? What's he doing - taking him for secret gruelling fitness sessions behind Jose's back?

Suppose he broke Son's arm too?

And gave Dier appendicitis?

This whole "Poch's regime broke the squad" is utterly risible nonsense. Apply Occam's razor - is it more likely that Poch's fitness regime was responsible for 4 years of a squad performing above and beyond their individual abilities - and then, once sacked because some players didn't want to do it any more - the squad's levels of fitness dramatically dropped, leading to poor performances and a big fat Ndombele?

Of course Jose's struggling with this group. They learned that you can get a coach who makes you work (and succeed) sacked. Jose's fucked before he even walked through the door with precedent.

Yes of course, he is responsible for a player that wasnt in the team....

But a lot of the conditioning of the players, who look spent, must be down to mad physical training all the time with no relent. Not just the injury list. The human body can only take so much and they are showing it now, looking slower and less capable. Take away the fitness levels and we now have bang average players. Poch sanctioned Ndombele?

He didnt adapt post WC either. I agree that he got more.from.them in the physical sense though and we did perform above and beyond.

Anyway, the.main issue here is the blame on JM. For what? Inheriting a team that's obviously shot and done in.
 

rabbikeane

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Mar 29, 2005
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I have no idea whether Mourinho have it in him to rebuild us and perform in coming seasons. What I do know is that he inherited this mess, been extremely unlucky with injuries and has still saved us from relegation - cause that's where we were headed.
 

E17yid

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Jan 21, 2013
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I must admit what little confidence I had that Mourinho will turn it around next season has basically gone. I honestly think even if Levy gave him qtr of a billion we wouldn’t see much of a turnaround. He’s taking no responsibility at all, I’m fed up of hearing the excuses about injuries. Yeah we ain’t got Kane and Son but that’s it really, are we going to moan about not having Davies, Sissoko and some kid we signed a couple of months ago, it’s not great obviously but is it really that bad.

Even before his first game I had almost written off this season so it’s got nothing to do about last night or anything, he’s certainly not solely responsible, a lot of this squad ain’t good enough for a top 4 side but he should be doing a lot better, we should be competitive. Was clinging onto the Jose second season thing but like I say I think the chances of him turning it around are slim. He’s not going to get the backing required and even if he does I’ve got little faith in the right players coming in. Our mentality is completely shot.
 

guiltyparty

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Sep 21, 2005
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Winning mentality is such a nothing phrase, since it's always used in a binary way.

Pochettino had enough of that winning mentality to consistently make us among the best teams in the country by talking up his players and almost deceiving them into thinking they were better than they were through individual and collective coaching.

Did he fall on the final hurdle a couple of times in cup competitions, absolutely. But loser mentality? Fucking hell, all I've heard from the serial winner after a honeymoon period of about three weeks is constant whining, defeatist tactics and him covering himself with a new layer of teflon every week.

He talks like a fed-up fan when we need a leader.

Fans aren't paid £15m a year. He needs to stop deflecting and protecting his own image, and focus on the team. Saying "I wish it was July already" when we were still in two cup competitions and in shooting distance of 4th, what message does that give out?

I was pretty OK on Mourinho after Poch had gone, I even ticked the 'silverware' option hilariously, but he's rapidly losing me. Not because I think he's to blame for what he's inherited, but just how quickly south his demeanour/language has gone, and how the one area we have no major injuries, defence, which is supposed to be his forte, looks worse than it ever has.

The pressure's really on this guy to prove he's not a busted flush, and that he was always more than a chequebook manager. And instead all he's doing is running the club and the team down as if it's beneath him. It really isn't. Unfortunately I think we're finding, in this day and age, this crop of players is about his level.
 

fedupyid

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I hate how people blame Poch. He bought in someone to help with recruitment and build us a proper scouting network but our chairman prefers to just use the scouting data off football manager.

We all know José was the wrong choice. When Levy came up with this succession plan did it not think he had already tried this with Mourinho’s Shadow once before.
 

JCRD

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Aug 10, 2018
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I think the real question here now is whether you trust Jose to rebuild our team on and off the pitch. He has done it before but he also hasn't done it for a while.

What is done is done but looking forward I don't think people trust Jose hence the vitriol in perhaps thinking he isn't the guy for the job

I personally don't think he is up to the task or rather I don't think that's what he is.
 

rossdapep

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Aug 25, 2011
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Are you genuinely telling me that our squad, even with injuries, isn't better than the likes of Southampton, Burnley, Norwich and Villa, all of whom have outplayed us to certain extents in the last few months?

Some people are making it sound like Mourinho is working with the worst squad in the league. It simply isn't the case.
Better than us? No, certainly not.

Better conditioned, better prepared due to being together as a team and coach longer? Yes
 

dudu

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Jan 28, 2011
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I must admit what little confidence I had that Mourinho will turn it around next season has basically gone. I honestly think even if Levy gave him qtr of a billion we wouldn’t see much of a turnaround. He’s taking no responsibility at all, I’m fed up of hearing the excuses about injuries. Yeah we ain’t got Kane and Son but that’s it really, are we going to moan about not having Davies, Sissoko and some kid we signed a couple of months ago, it’s not great obviously but is it really that bad.

Even before his first game I had almost written off this season so it’s got nothing to do about last night or anything, he’s certainly not solely responsible, a lot of this squad ain’t good enough for a top 4 side but he should be doing a lot better, we should be competitive. Was clinging onto the Jose second season thing but like I say I think the chances of him turning it around are slim. He’s not going to get the backing required and even if he does I’ve got little faith in the right players coming in. Our mentality is completely shot.

I think when you have injuries to players who are already playing a system they know and understand its a little different to the situation we have now..
 

rossdapep

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I hate how people blame Poch. He bought in someone to help with recruitment and build us a proper scouting network but our chairman prefers to just use the scouting data off football manager.

We all know José was the wrong choice. When Levy came up with this succession plan did it not think he had already tried this with Mourinho’s Shadow once before.
Are you talking about Paul Mitchell?
Cause I thought it was Poch who wanted rid?

The same Mitchell who brought in N'jie and N'kodou?

I'm all for criticising the club but let's make sure it's accurate before we do.
 

rossdapep

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Aug 25, 2011
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I think when you have injuries to players who are already playing a system they know and understand its a little different to the situation we have now..
Exactly.

People say we shouldn't be getting beat and outplayed by Southampton, Norwich, etc but these are two teams who have had a coach work with them for 18 months or more, have had a system worked on and are all relatively young and in the early phase of their cycle. Their players know their roles.

I'd also so say that Hassenhuttl had a good response when he first joined then their form went off the cliff and they looked lost, getting beat 9-0 by Leicester topped it off. Since then they've gotten better and look like thay have a style. One year after Hassenhuttl arrived.
 

SirHarryHotspur

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Some of Jose's tactics have been questionable but matches can be won or lost on a moment's lapse.
Against Norwich we gift them a goal and we go out on penalties, against Burnley we gift them a goal and get the draw , keep a clean sheet and a win would have been possible . We started brightly last night and then concede two goals which maybe better goalkeepers may have stopped but over the two legs the best team won that can't be denied.
The season has been littered with individual player errors , penalties given away, poor goalkeeping on occasions, naive defending , Jose has to be given a complete full season and let's see where we are then.
 

E17yid

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Jan 21, 2013
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I think when you have injuries to players who are already playing a system they know and understand its a little different to the situation we have now..

Yeah that’s a fair point and even though the system is clearly a load of shit I can see the logic of implementing it now and not looking at short term fixes because you want to be able to sign players to come into a system that’s already in place. But then it begs the question, do we really, as fans, want to see this system week in week out next season? I’ll be cool with it if it brings success but I have little faith it will. One thing is for sure it’s going to be shit to watch even if we are successful with it.
 

double0

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Aug 29, 2006
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The rebuild. Our defensive core is weak theres far to many mistakes about to happen in the goalkeeper full backs CB's defensive midfield the platform for us to build needs investment.

The rebuild should in theory start from the back.
 
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