Jose Mourinho

[spursfan77]

At least he’s backing Dier. That will go down well with the players. Could play into his hands quite nicely that.

 

[HW61]

It's a tough season but really how much if that is down to Mourinho?

Record signing Ndombele hasn't settled, £30m Sessegnon hampered all season with injuries, Lo Celso long injury when he joined and just coming good in the last month or two, Lloris, Davies, Kane, Sissoko, Son out long term, Lamela still not over his stop/ start time with us, Vertonghen legs have gone, Foyth not good enough for what we need, Eriksen half arsed until he fucked off. It's like taking a car, removing the engine, wheels, seats and gearstick and then blaming the guy sitting in it for not getting it involved in a rally.

We have a team built on scraps at the moment, I honestly don't see how we can see it any other way apart from it being tough luck. 12 players listed above who have had turbulent seasons in one way or another in a squad of 24-25. Our club has taken an absolute battering we just need to get on with it and face the reality that it will clearly lessen the quality we can deliver game by game.

A fair reflection on where we are, but this is far from tough luck. Yes Poch and JM are not absolved from any criticism. That comes with the job. Surely what is clear now is the people at the top had the responsibility to know the consequences of all funds being diverted to brickwork and not the squad.

 

[spursfan77]

The place is getting far too toxic, which will only magnify as performances and results continue to be unacceptable. I think the next week to 10 days will be interesting!

Yeah I’ve been saying that for the last fortnight. If/when we lose to West Ham will be the worst. I think I’ll just go to that game, get drunk and just try and get through it.

I don’t think we will win until Kane is back unfortunately. Going to be tough. We should all stick together and get through it but I don’t think that’s the modern day fans mindset unfortunately. (Not talking about SC but social media).

 

[dudu]

Yes but he was taking over a completely schizophrenic squad who had no identity at all. Then imposed an identity which produced clear green shoots of potential by the end of the year.

Mourinho is taking over a squad to make Top 4 and/or win a cup. That's not happening. SO we look for green shoots. An identity.

I believe and hope he will do it as he's done many times before. But you can't blame the pessimists for calling doomsday at the moment can you? It's grim.

So you're saying Mourinho took over a team with an identity?

 

[Cambridge Spur]

PM me her number

You don’t want it mate. She may look ok but the sex is shite! Now I’ve got an STI and I miss my wife....

 

[spursfan77]

Do you seriously think the players decided to sit deep and invite the mighty Norwich to come and attack us? Did they then decide to have a go at playing football for the last 15 minutes? There's one person who made those calls and the players followed his instructions.

I’ve been behind Mourinho since day one but I agree. It’s not the way to attack (or not!) these games. But I think he’s hamstrung by injuries and tiredness in attacking players. Bergwijn, Lucas and Dele were visibly shattered by ten minutes into the second half. They just don’t have it in their legs to attack and defend all game. It’s a real problem and won’t change from between now and until we get Kane and Sissoko back so everyone will just have to suck it up I’m afraid.

 

[dudu]

I’ve been behind Mourinho since day one but I agree. It’s not the way to attack (or not!) these games. But I think he’s hamstrung by injuries and tiredness in attacking players. Bergwijn, Lucas and Dele were visibly shattered by ten minutes into the second half. They just don’t have it in their legs to attack and defend all game. It’s a real problem and won’t change from between now and until we get Kane and Sissoko back so everyone will just have to suck it up I’m afraid.

Circumstance is a bitch!

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

It was so predictable too.

Yep. Fans are deluded if they think we're magically gonna start playing good football once Mourinho gets 'his players'. This is his style and it bores the shit out of me and I can't imagine the players are too enamoured by it either. It doesn't surprise me he usually ends up falling out with them. It can't be fun, as a talented player, being asked to defend space and territory rather than getting on the ball and trying to dominate and make chances. Eventually they will just revolt.

 

[SargeantMeatCurtains]

What do any of you think Poch would’ve done differently in this situation? We were 14th in the table, eliminated by Colchester in the EFL Cup, he’d allegedly lost the dressing room, we’d been on the backend of an absolute battering at home to Bayern, we’d only won once away from home in an entire calendar year and that was with a mostly fresh squad, nowhere near the level of injuries we have now.

I’m putting anyone on ignore who stupidly argues that he “deserved time”.

 

[Wsussexspur]

At least he’s backing Dier. That will go down well with the players. Could play into his hands quite nicely that.

Course he is going to back Dier! He has taken all the headlines etc away from that awful performance

 

[spursfan77]

What do any of you think Poch would’ve done differently in this situation? We were 14th in the table, eliminated by Colchester in the EFL Cup, he’d allegedly lost the dressing room, we’d been on the backend of an absolute battering at home to Bayern, we’d only won once away from home in an entire calendar year and that was with a mostly fresh squad, nowhere near the level of injuries we have now.

I’m putting anyone on ignore who stupidly argues that he “deserved time”.

It seems the mindset is players aren’t allowed to get tired.

We had it slightly under Poch last season but his approach was to attack like mad for the first half an hour, try and score as many as possible and then retreat. Once we’d regroup we’d go again in the last ten minutes. It’s why we won a few games late on. But then we had son and Eriksen to pop up with the goals and now we don’t.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Exactly, people blame it on injuries, but even when Son and Kane were fit we still weren't exciting to watch.

I stand by my 'horrified' selection on the poll, which was made on the day of his appointment

I disagree. When Son and Kane both were playing, I was very much entertained.

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

You could see that when Parrott came on, he was more concerned with covering space and their central midfielder than he was getting in to attacking positions or pressing the defenders.

That would have come form Mourinho.

It was so frustarting to watch. A young lad full of energy being instructed, as a team, that we weren't going to take the initiative against the bottom of the league Norwich but play like we had to contain them.

 

[For the love of Spurs]

What do any of you think Poch would’ve done differently in this situation? We were 14th in the table, eliminated by Colchester in the EFL Cup, he’d allegedly lost the dressing room, we’d been on the backend of an absolute battering at home to Bayern, we’d only won once away from home in an entire calendar year and that was with a mostly fresh squad, nowhere near the level of injuries we have now.

I’m putting anyone on ignore who stupidly argues that he “deserved time”.

The main issue isn’t Poch or Mourinho, it’s the critical lack of investment/scouting over a 2/3 year period which allow this squad to degrade. Given a balanced squad I’d expect results with either manager to be pretty decent. Poch’s time was up just like so many of our managers but it didn’t have to be had we invested at the right time in the right players and not let everything go stale, that’s the shame of it.

And if Mourinho isn’t properly backed it’s going to go stale a lot quicker than the 5 years we had with Poch.

 

[spursfan77]

Course he is going to back Dier! He has taken all the headlines etc away from that awful performance

I suspect if he didn’t back Dier then you’d use that to throw at him instead. Maybe he just can win with fans who want to see him fail?

 

[Japhet]

This is the whole problem with appointing Jose he polarises fan bases! Normally it takes best part of three seasons to happen but with us it’s seems to have happened in space of three months.

the fans who will be Jose loyalist no matter what.

Then there is a section of fans some of that down to his history and large section of the base not wanting him appointed in first place. They were always going to start voicing their opposition to him as soon as things turned sour.

Then there is a section which I’m probably in which wasn’t enamoured with is appointment but we’re willing to give him time and to see if he was going to get the backing from the board . However things are going wrong very very quickly and yes there are reasons for that injuries to two star players not having time to work on implanting tactics etc. The big concern though is despite the injuries is the style of play and tactics he has implemented. It so so negative in past two games we have shown in brief glimpses that when we play football and attack teams we look half decent. But for some reason and I can’t believe it’s not down to Jose’s instructions the players seem to play this safety first negative brand of football for most of the games. another concern for me is the players body languages pretty much to a man it looks awful. which is pretty concerning so early in to Jose’s reign. As a club we are going to be fed to wolves so to speak if we sack him before giving him a proper chance and backing.


I’m not sure what point I’m trying to make but just know feel really sad about the current situation and so polarised about what is the best way for the club to proceed and get out of this mess.

We're not going to sack him. He has plenty of excuses right now for our dreadful results and will use those to deflect any criticism of the garbage football he's serving up. Come the summer he'll be given money but God only knows what he'll spend it on. This is the bed that's been made and we'll be lying in it for a good while yet.

 

[carpediem991]

I still think Mou should get one summer to work with the squad but I don't see where he wants to go.
To sit deep and defend is not our way, nor is it the way of the squad. We always have cock ups in us, we are no Chelsea. We were the best in defensing leads by attack and keep the ball away from our danger area.

You can see the frustration of our attacking players. Some want to press and want the other to follow, others sit deeper as they are probably instructed too. When we win the ball we are often outnumbered upfront as most of the squad sits deep and have not a way and chemistry to create cut clear chances. Here and there something works because we have technical good players. But even they don't know what to do and often run into opponents or looking for a contact to get at least a free kick.
Also the lack of leadership is immense. In defense, everyone seems to be rotated out after three games bar Serge (llack of options). Winks is not good enough to lead this team. Lo Celso is trying and doing really well but he is new to the team, country and league.

I am fine with sitting back against Pool or Man City and not go suicide there but at home to Norwich, who are even without their best striker? Come on. Half of these players played in 2nd division in England and germany not too long ago and soon will again.
If we would have more ball it would help Tanguy much more to put in performances and to hide his embarrassing defensive effort.

 

[SargeantMeatCurtains]

The main issue isn’t Poch or Mourinho, it’s the critical lack of investment/scouting over a 2/3 year period which allow this squad to degrade. Given a balanced squad I’d expect results with either manager to be pretty decent. Poch’s time was up just like so many of our managers but it didn’t have to be had we invested at the right time in the right players and not let everything go stale, that’s the shame of it.

And if Mourinho isn’t properly backed it’s going to go stale a lot quicker than the 5 years we had with Poch.

I do agree and I think the club has criminally under invested in the squad...however, loads of people, including JJ, has said that in the year we spent nothing, Levy had agreed a deal to sign Ndombele before Lyon moved the goalposts and similarly with De Jong too. After that, Poch stropped and turned down every player Levy offered to him. I think Poch is just as much to blame as the board for that summer.

As for this summer... Huge investment needed.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

I suspect if he didn’t back Dier then you’d use that to throw at him instead. Maybe he just can win with fans who want to see him fail?

We don't want him to fail but he ain't doing a lot to convince us that he won't..

 

[Betha]

There is a huge amount that needs addressing in the summer and I truly believe only next season we can judge anything - problem now is damage limitation between now and may and working out how we address the huge change needed

Lloris - need to start considering his successor
Aurier - wrong attitude, not good enough
Verts and alder - both need to start being faded out
Sanchez, foyth, Tanganga - all will need time?
Davies - great squad player - really needs upgrading though
DM - non existent
Winks - good squad player
Dier - squad player at best
Sissoko - squad player
Ndom - Christ knows where that will go
Lamela - needs to be moved on
Alli - needs to seriously think whether us wants to continue football - looks completely disinterested

That’s prob only half of it as well!!

I apologies for the long quote, but I feel it is necessary.

First of all I mostly agree to this, maybe for some minor things like I belive both Winks and Sanchez are first team players (but that is beside the point). The squad obviously needs new players, although I think it is way better than what Mourinho is getting out of it. Besides the football currently being played, I have big concerns regarding the players Mourinho would like us to bring in. Now, the situation i Manchester was strange, difficult and different. And, I do not know how much of a saying Mourinho had in the players brought in there, and how much saying he has regarding players being brought in here. The records from his time in Manchester isn't all that calming though. All noumbers are from wikipedia, so pinch of salt and all that.

2016-17
Bailly - 30 mill
Zlatan - free
Mkhitaryan - 26 mill
Pogba - 89 mill

Total - 145 mill
out - 43.3 mill
net - 101.7 mill

2017-18
Lindelöf - 30.7 mill
Lukaku - 90 mill
Matic - 40 mill
Zlatan - free
Sanchez (for Mkhitaryan)

Total - 170.7 mill
out - 9.8 mill
net - 160.9

2018-19
Dalot - 19 mill
Fred - 47 mill
Lee Grant

Total - 66 mill
out - 22.5 mill
net - 43.5 mill

Grand total - 381.7 mill
Net: 306.1 mill.

This is not a very good list, besides them, mostly, having good names. Lots of players who were expensive, on high salaries, and who've been underperforming. Furthermore, they've left left Man.Utd. with extremely high wages, for a squad with far less value. I.e. 87 millions for Fred and Matic, who have had one good game between the two of them, Fred against us this season (a small exaggeration, but they haven't really justified their price). 90 millions for a Pogba who he seemingly had no plan for how to use in the role that he is actually good in. The two big successes were Ibrahimovic and Lukaku, both big strikers. A postition for which we are lookingfor a backup.

Now, obviously, they won some trophies, but their position now is not looking good. I know that history is rarely repeating, but with Mourinho not being a long term manager, who's known for getting results quickly, I'm not confident.