Manager watch: Jose Mourinho

How do you feel about Mourinho appointment

  • Excited - silverware here we come baby

    Votes: 699 55.0%
  • Meh - will give him a chance and hope he is successful

    Votes: 448 35.3%
  • Horrified - praying for the day he'll fuck off

    Votes: 123 9.7%

  • Total voters
    1,270

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It's so bloody easy to be judgemental on the internet when we have the luxury of keeping all of our misdemeanours secret.
I'll be the first to admit I've done a lot worse things than shout at a doctor and poke someone in the eye.

Funny how Mourinho does something and it's despicable, Dembele done the same and it barely gets a mention.
Jose shouted "mother of a whore" at her, because she went to treat Hazard, when Jose wanted to waste time. He then fired her for that. That led to Chelsea having to settle a sexual discrimination case in the courts, the whole squad downed tools for a season out of protest of her sacking, and Jose ended up getting sacked.

It was not an insignificant event.

I personally am supportive of Jose, as I do find him a fascinating football mind... but not at the expense of balance. He's definitely a ****... a clever ****, and our ****... but still a ****.
 

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It was not an insignificant event.
You're right there.
It encapsulates what lengths he'll go to, to win.
He doesn't give a shit about being nice, or hurting peoples feelings, or what anyone thinks of him...its all about winning, deal with the fallout later.
It's what we've been lacking for too long, in our players and managers.
 

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Not sure about Jose being a ‘nice guy’. I have ITK from someone I know who worked on Amazon doc that said all our players were really friendly and nice but Jose was ‘vile’. He actually said they could have really ruined him with some of the footage they have that didn’t make the final cut.
Who does your mate support?
Could his info/opinion be swayed because his mind was already made up?
 

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Watched a short video on BBC were a journalist asked for a picture for his late father Jose's response was really heartfelt and warming to see when many look at him as an ogre.
 

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You're right there.
It encapsulates what lengths he'll go to, to win.
He doesn't give a shit about being nice, or hurting peoples feelings, or what anyone thinks of him...its all about winning, deal with the fallout later.
It's what we've been lacking for too long, in our players and managers.
But he didn't win in that case. He lost... his team stopped playing for him and he got sacked.
 
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I’d suggest we’ll give Jose this season, and if we get no return he’ll be gone.. I’m not enamoured by his ‘skills’, but I’m open to this next 40+ games. Does he spend big to buy his team ? Like Chelsea et al. I think he does. I’d love to be proved wrong Currently, I’m not his greatest fan
Same mind set with me
Really hoping I’m proved wrong but as others have said think the squad we are building gives us great hope and if it all goes pear shaped Danny boy will do his usual firing trick
But really want to be proved wrong and hold my hands up to it
 

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If we keep moving forward the way we are he can stay for as long as he likes as far as i'm concerned. For me it isn't a win something this season or fuckoff thing. Obviously it needs to gel a bit better on the pitch but that'll come and i'm not entirely sure it's the work of a season and a half to change the mentality of the all of the players and the club. But so far, it really does look as though we're finally addressing the things that have needed attention, due in part I suspect to this Birch chap.

We went from a massive high to a pretty depressing low and a period where the hope and excitement were eventually drained out of the fans and I suspect, in a variety of ways, the whole club. Suddenly there's hope, excitement and expectation again and right now, from where we very very recently were, for me, that'll do for now and it'll be interesting to see how it all develops and double interesting to see if Mourinho can instill a winning mentality into not only the team but into the attitudes of the decision makers at the club.
 

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Jose shouted "mother of a whore" at her, because she went to treat Hazard, when Jose wanted to waste time. He then fired her for that. That led to Chelsea having to settle a sexual discrimination case in the courts, the whole squad downed tools for a season out of protest of her sacking, and Jose ended up getting sacked.
Not conjectural at all :rolleyes:
 

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It's so bloody easy to be judgemental on the internet when we have the luxury of keeping all of our misdemeanours secret.
I'll be the first to admit I've done a lot worse things than shout at a doctor and poke someone in the eye.

Funny how Mourinho does something and it's despicable, Dembele done the same and it barely gets a mention.
Fergie threw a boot at Beckham's head.

Pep would barely speak to players if they were out of favour.

Clough would give his underperforming players a slap if they walked on to his pitch without giving 100%

Even our own Pochettino was ruthless in his first 18 months. I recall Brad Freidel giving an interview saying if you didn't do what Poch asked you'd very quickly become a pariah and would be moved out of the club faster than you could imagine. We saw quite a few players get that treatment.

All managers have that streak about them. Mourinho list his rag at a physio that ran on to the pitch when he told her not to. I'm probably going to get neg reps for this opinion but I personally think her legal team made the most of her being a woman (attractive one at that) with the sex discrimination claim. Had Geoff Scott been called a son of a bitch by Donna Cullen I doubt he'd have the same merit to his claim.
 

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If we keep moving forward the way we are he can stay for as long as he likes as far as i'm concerned. For me it isn't a win something this season or fuckoff thing. Obviously it needs to gel a bit better on the pitch but that'll come and i'm not entirely sure it's the work of a season and a half to change the mentality of the all of the players and the club. But so far, it really does look as though we're finally addressing the things that have needed attention, due in part I suspect to this Birch chap.

We went from a massive high to a pretty depressing low and a period where the hope and excitement were eventually drained out of the fans and I suspect, in a variety of ways, the whole club. Suddenly there's hope, excitement and expectation again and right now, from where we very very recently were, for me, that'll do for now and it'll be interesting to see how it all develops and double interesting to see if Mourinho can instill a winning mentality into not only the team but into the attitudes of the decision makers at the club.
And the fans.
 

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I mean... That is actually what was reported to have happened.
Well no, you've taken 3 events and stitched them together with conjecture.

Mourinho said he didn't want Carneiro and Fearn (Doc & Physio) on the bench in the next game. The media deleted Fearn from the incident and made it like it was 'man vs woman', she chose not to return to work and eventually quit. Her case was based on 'constructive dismissal', saying that because he shouted something in frustration that it meant she was sexually harassed and couldn't return to work.

There's absolutely nothing to link that to any truth in 'the whole squad downed tools for a season out of protest of her sacking' because she wasn't even sacked, nor did it appear that the squad particularly cared.
 

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Well no, you've taken 3 events and stitched them together with conjecture.

Mourinho said he didn't want Carneiro and Fearn (Doc & Physio) on the bench in the next game. The media deleted Fearn from the incident and made it like it was 'man vs woman', she chose not to return to work and eventually quit. Her case was based on 'constructive dismissal', saying that because he shouted something in frustration that it meant she was sexually harassed and couldn't return to work.

There's absolutely nothing to link that to any truth in 'the whole squad downed tools for a season out of protest of her sacking' because she wasn't even sacked, nor did it appear that the squad particularly cared.
Hazard in particular said at the time how he owed his career to her help in his recuperation, and it was notable how he stopped performing after she left... Hazard and Fabregas poor relationship with Jose was well documented. Hazard admitted to cheating the Chelsea fans during the following season... Notable how the same squad then won the PL.

Fearn was back on the bench within a few months.
 

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Fergie threw a boot at Beckham's head.

Pep would barely speak to players if they were out of favour.

Clough would give his underperforming players a slap if they walked on to his pitch without giving 100%

Even our own Pochettino was ruthless in his first 18 months. I recall Brad Freidel giving an interview saying if you didn't do what Poch asked you'd very quickly become a pariah and would be moved out of the club faster than you could imagine. We saw quite a few players get that treatment.

All managers have that streak about them. Mourinho list his rag at a physio that ran on to the pitch when he told her not to. I'm probably going to get neg reps for this opinion but I personally think her legal team made the most of her being a woman (attractive one at that) with the sex discrimination claim. Had Geoff Scott been called a son of a bitch by Donna Cullen I doubt he'd have the same merit to his claim.
How depressingly predictable.
 

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Hazard in particular said at the time how he owed his career to her help in his recuperation, and it was notable how he stopped performing after she left... Hazard and Fabregas poor relationship with Jose was well documented. Hazard admitted to cheating the Chelsea fans during the following season... Notable how the same squad then won the PL.

Fearn was back on the bench within a few months.
So basically yes, conjecture. You're demonstrating it perfectly. "This was a result of that..." "...because you could observe, and this might have been, and that could have." etc. There's nothing but confirmation bias that connects the events.

Nothing defines Chelsea's squad more than a bunch of players turning their performances on and off to either win the league or get someone sacked. There's hardly been a single manager that they haven't done it to (possibly Ancelotti, maybe Hiddink if you count caretakers).
 

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If we keep moving forward the way we are he can stay for as long as he likes as far as i'm concerned. For me it isn't a win something this season or fuckoff thing. Obviously it needs to gel a bit better on the pitch but that'll come and i'm not entirely sure it's the work of a season and a half to change the mentality of the all of the players and the club. But so far, it really does look as though we're finally addressing the things that have needed attention, due in part I suspect to this Birch chap.

We went from a massive high to a pretty depressing low and a period where the hope and excitement were eventually drained out of the fans and I suspect, in a variety of ways, the whole club. Suddenly there's hope, excitement and expectation again and right now, from where we very very recently were, for me, that'll do for now and it'll be interesting to see how it all develops and double interesting to see if Mourinho can instill a winning mentality into not only the team but into the attitudes of the decision makers at the club.
Me neither but you wait, there will be such glee from a lot of people all over the country, a section of our fan base included. I’d say the chances of us winning something is quite slim but hopefully nonetheless.
 
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