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Lloris court case outcome

JimmyG2

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Dec 7, 2006
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Appalling behaviour by Lloris
that financial penalties won't address
or even driving bans in his case.
His wealth will easily offset all of this
If the club are not to act seriously
I would have liked to have seen
a substantial Community Service order
over several months
in local hospital emergency departments for example.
 

Mullers

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Jan 4, 2006
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Disagree,

I think his salary should be taken into account, it is after all a punishment so there is no point punishing someone so little if they earn a lot, it's meant to act as a deterrent.
This true but then the law has to be changed so that it's mean tested, judges can't take the law into their own hands and demand that the offender pay more than the maximum fine stated in the law.
 

Shadydan

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This true but then the law has to be changed so that it's mean tested, judges can't take the law into their own hands and demand that the offender pay more than the maximum fine stated in the law.

I think with cases like these judges need to use discretion. Can you imagine the reaction if he was only fined the max penalty for example?, it wouldn't make any sense.

And I'm pretty sure they changed the law recently with regard to speeding fined anyway, the amount you are fined is dependant on your income which IMO is the right thing to do, not sure about drink driving offences though.
 

Led's Zeppelin

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So Lady Justice does not wear her blindfold anymore?

That depends on how you evaluate and express fines as punishments.

To fine one person a week’s wages, and fine the next person 10 minutes’ wages for the same crime...would that feel more just to you?
 

WhiteHeartLowe

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That depends on how you evaluate and express fines as punishments.

To fine one person a week’s wages, and fine the next person 10 minutes’ wages for the same crime...would that feel more just to you?

Of course, that point is obvious, and well made. However, I think that the opposite arguament can also be made. The fact that one person happens to have more money than another should be irrelevant if " all men are equal before the law" as stated in the universal declaration of human rights. Wealthy people can afford to pay more for everything, but we don't expect them to do so, and poorer people would like to spend less, but are not given the chance. Dont get me wrong, I totally get the point about relative deterrent values of punishments, but I think its an interesting point to consider too.
 

Japhet

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Of course, that point is obvious, and well made. However, I think that the opposite arguament can also be made. The fact that one person happens to have more money than another should be irrelevant if " all men are equal before the law" as stated in the universal declaration of human rights. Wealthy people can afford to pay more for everything, but we don't expect them to do so, and poorer people would like to spend less, but are not given the chance. Dont get me wrong, I totally get the point about relative deterrent values of punishments, but I think its an interesting point to consider too.


You also start veering into the realms of disposable income. Fining an average Joe a weeks wages has a much stronger effect (especially on family/dependants who have done nothing wrong) than fining somebody 100k who has millions in the bank. I'd also suggest that whatever the club fine him should be given to alcohol awareness programmes.
 

Led's Zeppelin

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Of course, that point is obvious, and well made. However, I think that the opposite arguament can also be made. The fact that one person happens to have more money than another should be irrelevant if " all men are equal before the law" as stated in the universal declaration of human rights. Wealthy people can afford to pay more for everything, but we don't expect them to do so, and poorer people would like to spend less, but are not given the chance. Dont get me wrong, I totally get the point about relative deterrent values of punishments, but I think its an interesting point to consider too.

I do take your point, but it feels to me on balance that if a penalty can be dramatically more severe for poorer people than wealthy people, the principle of being equal before the law has actually been lost.

If we expressed penalties differently, in terms of impact, we could overcome the problem. It works for prison sentences, because a year is a year for everyone. But when it’s a fine it’s different, by nature.

If fines had always and consistently been expressed as a fixed percentage of earnings for everyone, so for example half a week’s wages for everyone, that surely would be closer to the principle of everyone being treated fairly by the law, (though I still feel it would put a greater burden on poorer people] and we probably wouldn’t be questioning Hugo’s fine now would we?
 

Rob

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Jun 8, 2003
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£50k sounds like a lot. I presume that was bumped up on the assumption that "he can afford it", which is of course true, but thats not the point. If you or I were in his position, would we be fined anywhere near that amount? I doubt it.

Of course it wouldn't as it's means tested.
 

DJS

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Dec 9, 2006
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I’d have preferred community service myself working with victims of drink driving and mandatory drink awareness course.

The fine won’t reallt have an impact on him, although the driving ban will!
 

Mullers

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Jan 4, 2006
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I’d have preferred community service myself working with victims of drink driving and mandatory drink awareness course.

The fine won’t reallt have an impact on him, although the driving ban will!
I think just being caught will have an impact, I can't see him doing anything like this again.
 

ethanedwards

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Nov 24, 2006
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This true but then the law has to be changed so that it's mean tested, judges can't take the law into their own hands and demand that the offender pay more than the maximum fine stated in the law.
Ant McParlin was fined 86k for similar offence.
 

whitesocks

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Jan 16, 2014
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The more details that come out, the more sickening the whole thing becomes.
There is no excuse in the world and it absolutely horrifies me.
Just think: spending the entire evening with "Laurent Koscielny and Olivier Giroud" - no wonder he puked his guts up.
 

ethanedwards

Snowflake incarnate.
Nov 24, 2006
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Appalling behaviour by Lloris
that financial penalties won't address
or even driving bans in his case.
His wealth will easily offset all of this
If the club are not to act seriously
I would have liked to have seen
a substantial Community Service order
over several months
in local hospital emergency departments for example.
Not sure if you have these drink driving adverts in the mainland, they have made a big impact on younger drivers especially.
 

mawspurs

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Jun 29, 2003
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His fine was reduced from £75k to £50k because he pleaded guilty. Spurs are rumoured to have fined him two weeks wages on top of this.
 

Azazello

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Aug 15, 2009
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The French are working hard to make drink driving less acceptable, but they're way behind the UK.

Loads of little wreaths by the sides of roads where my mum lives, and she says it's because plenty of young people go clubbing, drink too much, and then drive home, crashing, fatally, all too often.
 
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