Juan Foyth

[King of Otters]

Great move for Foyth, not so great for Valencia Yid.

 

[sausage]

I don’t think it’s an either out and while this may not have been your your intent, it’s not the nicest implication to make that posters who don’t rate Foyth therefore don’t appreciate skilful graceful footballers.

For instance, King and Vertonghen were both hugely skilful, in my opinion more so, but for arguments let’s say on a level. However, they were both built like trucks by the time they’d reached Foyth’s age and thus far better able to use that skill under physical pressure from opponents. Ginola, Waddle, Hoddle, Dembele, Berbatov, Bale, all wonderfully gifted footballers who were far better able to make use of their ability because of their physical gifts. Yes, there’sa litany of examples of smaller/ less physically imposing players who reached the top on pure talent, including arguably the best player of all time, but not at centre back and generally the absolutely exceptionally talented. Modric, Zola, Juninho, Silva, all exceptional in this league despite being slight and unimposing, but none were centre backs and all were pretty much as good as you can be in terms of pure talent and brains.

I just don’t think there’s an example of a centre back who reached the top in this league in recent times who displays the same combination of pluses and minuses as Foyth.

I agree - I don't see Foyth as anything but a potential Vertonghen or Alderwiereld; that is, a CB who has a good ability to play out from the back (almost the potential for DM).

That's great, but the idea of a 'skillful' CB would make me nervous - we dick about enough at the back for me to even want to contemplate anything but a no-nonsense CB.

 

[$hoguN]

Great move for Foyth, not so great for Valencia Yid.

Why? There is an option to buy him involved. Nothing suggests we weren’t close to agreeing the sale

 

[King of Otters]

Why? There is an option to buy him involved. Nothing suggests we weren’t close to agreeing the sale

Because it’s a loan.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Im sure they will. Not sure though if Foyth himself has already agreed to stay beyond the loan or not.

Can’t imagine it’ll be a hard choice for him. 3 years of not getting a chance here, one year of having a good season there, horrible British weather v Valencian sunshine where he’ll be a native speaker, league more suited to his make up as a footballer. Can’t see that he’d want to return to a place where he’s not made it if he has indeed succeeded over there.

Great move for Foyth, not so great for Valencia Yid.

Given that his info comes from the club, I imagine there’s an element of him hearing what Spurs wanted to happen/ was pushing for.

 

[King of Otters]

Given that his info comes from the club, I imagine there’s an element of him hearing what Spurs wanted to happen/ was pushing for.

That would explain a lot.

 

[littlewilly]

I don’t think it’s an either or and while this may not have been your your intent, it’s not the nicest implication to make that posters who don’t rate Foyth therefore don’t appreciate skilful graceful footballers.

For instance, King and Vertonghen were both hugely skilful, in my opinion more so, but for arguments let’s say on a level. However, they were both built like trucks by the time they’d reached Foyth’s age and thus far better able to use that skill under physical pressure from opponents. Ginola, Waddle, Hoddle, Dembele, Berbatov, Bale, all wonderfully gifted footballers who were far better able to make use of their ability because of their physical gifts. Yes, there’sa litany of examples of smaller/ less physically imposing players who reached the top on pure talent, including arguably the best player of all time, but not at centre back and generally the absolutely exceptionally talented. Modric, Zola, Juninho, Silva, all exceptional in this league despite being slight and unimposing, but none were centre backs and all were pretty much as good as you can be in terms of pure talent and brains.

I just don’t think there’s an example of a centre back who reached the top in this league in recent times who displays the same combination of pluses and minuses as Foyth.

Nice response, thank you. I just don’t necessarily see him as a central defender. Maybe we get stuck in round pegs, round holes. I don’t want to open myself up to a guffawing pack, but I see similarities between him and a maestro of the 60s/70s.

 

[punky]

I was really confused when I saw Foyth signed a new contract but then reading this, it makes perfect sense for him and us.

Also, giving your employee a pay rise and then getting someone else to pay for it... Levy is a genuis.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Nice response, thank you. I just don’t necessarily see him as a central defender. Maybe we get stuck in round pegs, round holes. I don’t want to open myself up to a guffawing pack, but I see similarities between him and a maestro of the 60s/70s.

Having not been even close to being born at that point, I will certainly respect your appreciation on that topic, but I think if it Foyth can make a good career at a regular European competitor in Spain then he’ll have done well.

 

[thekneaf]

If he has a great season there, and we need a centre back, we've got an option to convince him to stay.

The slight kinks in his game may never get ironed out, but consistent playing is the best way to try. If it works he'll be one hell of a defender.

 

[spursintheblood]

I don’t think it’s an either or and while this may not have been your your intent, it’s not the nicest implication to make that posters who don’t rate Foyth therefore don’t appreciate skilful graceful footballers.

For instance, King and Vertonghen were both hugely skilful, in my opinion more so, but for arguments let’s say on a level. However, they were both built like trucks by the time they’d reached Foyth’s age and thus far better able to use that skill under physical pressure from opponents. Ginola, Waddle, Hoddle, Dembele, Berbatov, Bale, all wonderfully gifted footballers who were far better able to make use of their ability because of their physical gifts. Yes, there’sa litany of examples of smaller/ less physically imposing players who reached the top on pure talent, including arguably the best player of all time, but not at centre back and generally the absolutely exceptionally talented. Modric, Zola, Juninho, Silva, all exceptional in this league despite being slight and unimposing, but none were centre backs and all were pretty much as good as you can be in terms of pure talent and brains.

I just don’t think there’s an example of a centre back who reached the top in this league in recent times who displays the same combination of pluses and minuses as Foyth.

Agree with this analysis. Pretty sure it was AllyGold who said he should have transitioned into the midfield, as Dier transitioned back.

Glad we've both protected his value and he's assured a salary for a while, so he's under less pressure to perform and can hopefully gain confidence/experience at Villarreal.

Interesting we didn't add an obligation to buy. Means we aren't all about current money flows, so other deals must not be contingent, should there be any.

 

[mumfordspur]

I was really confused when I saw Foyth signed a new contract but then reading this, it makes perfect sense for him and us.

Also, giving your employee a pay rise and then getting someone else to pay for it... Levy is a genuis.

Just following the Chelsea model

 

[kent brockman]

This could be Toby's last season with us, so it would be amazing if Juan came back after having a blinder of a season in Spain

Toby signed a big 3.5 year contract last December. So would be very surprised if he would not see that out.

 

[kent brockman]

Can’t imagine it’ll be a hard choice for him. 3 years of not getting a chance here, one year of having a good season there, horrible British weather v Valencian sunshine where he’ll be a native speaker, league more suited to his make up as a footballer. Can’t see that he’d want to return to a place where he’s not made it if he has indeed succeeded over there.

Given that his info comes from the club, I imagine there’s an element of him hearing what Spurs wanted to happen/ was pushing for.

My point was that a permanent transfer by the end of the loan was not solely up to Villareal.
Whether Foyth will want that or not remains to be seen.

 

[Hazelton]

I think he'll thrive in La Liga, to be honest. I'd be surprised if the buy-out wasn't triggered at the end of the season.

 

[mil1lion]

This makes sense. His value has dropped with lack of games so we weren't likely to get a good deal this summer. If he gets a run of games then his value should go up and we get a better deal next summer.

 

[diamond lights]

Toby signed a big 3.5 year contract last December. So would be very surprised if he would not see that out.

I think Toby will probably be sold next summer. The new contract just means we'll get a fee and he will not leave on a free like Jan.

 

[sausage]

Can’t imagine it’ll be a hard choice for him. 3 years of not getting a chance here, one year of having a good season there, horrible British weather v Valencian sunshine where he’ll be a native speaker, league more suited to his make up as a footballer. Can’t see that he’d want to return to a place where he’s not made it if he has indeed succeeded over there.


Given that his info comes from the club, I imagine there’s an element of him hearing what Spurs wanted to happen/ was pushing for.

I think we'll see the expected shift of Argentinian Core -> Portuguese Core. Sounds like Lamela was originally part of the cull, but both he and Lo Celso have seemingly done really well for Mourinho.

Gazz and Foyth perhaps not so much.

 

[bbunc]

Has it been definitively confirmed that there is an option to buy?

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Has it been definitively confirmed that there is an option to buy?

On the previous page of this thread ?

Extension appears to be purely to protect his value:

Web oficial del Villarreal CF - Welcome Juan Foyth!

The Argentine defender has joined Villarreal on loan from Tottenham Hotspur Villarreal CF and Tottenham Hotspur have reached an agreement for the loan...

villarrealcf.es

Dominates in the air?

The loan agreement has a purchase option at the end of the season.