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Mourinho says players "mentally died" after farcical VAR decision

Trotter

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Doesn't matter if it's thrown. I always thought the expression was "leading with the elbow" which is exactly what he did.

No he didn't, and yes it 100% does matter, It is difference between violent conduct (which throwing the elbow with force is, and is a straight red) and playing in a dangerous/reckless manner which placing a forearm against an opponents cheek could be considered as, which is a cautionable offence.
 
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No he didn't, and yes it 100% does matter, It is difference between violent conduct (which throwing the elbow with force is, and is a straight red) and playing in a dangerous/reckless manner which placing a forearm against an opponents cheek could be considered as, which is a cautionable offence.
He never looked at the ball.
 

Amo

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Nonsense. Sheffield were set up perfectly from a tactical standpoint and we weren't. Blaming VAR doesn't account for going three nil down to any team, let alone Sheffield. Let alone a team that has had trouble scoring. Why do teams always break their bad spells against US?

You can't claim a team "dominated" the match when the opposition's plan incorporates letting said team "dominate" the match.

We were shit. Tactics were shit. Players were shit. Everyone was shit.

Sometimes it's really just not that deep. If, heaven forbid, we got Redknapp or Sherwood back ( :yuck:) and the players were told to just fucking run around, we'd probably be doing better.
 
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Nonsense. Sheffield were set up perfectly from a tactical standpoint and we weren't. Blaming VAR doesn't account for going three nil down to any team, let alone Sheffield. Let alone a team that has had trouble scoring. Why do teams always break their bad spells against US?

You can't claim a team "dominated" the match when the opposition's plan incorporates letting said team "dominate" the match.

We were shit. Tactics were shit. Players were shit. Everyone was shit.

Sometimes it's really just not that deep. If, heaven forbid, we got Redknapp or Sherwood back :)yuck:) and the players were told to just fucking run around, we'd probably be doing better.
Because we're shit?
 

Trotter

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He never looked at the ball.

Which confirms the fact he was playing in a reckless (cautionable) manner.

To be a straight red card offence he has to be deliberately trying to, or likely to injure the opponent with excessive force. Placing an arm rather than swinging it, totally nullifies it from falling into that category.
 

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No he didn't, and yes it 100% does matter, It is difference between violent conduct (which throwing the elbow with force is, and is a straight red) and playing in a dangerous/reckless manner which placing a forearm against an opponents cheek could be considered as, which is a cautionable offence.


Are you sure?
 
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Which confirms the fact he was playing in a reckless (cautionable) manner.

To be a straight red card offence he has to be deliberately trying to, or likely to injure the opponent with excessive force. Placing and arm rather than swinging it, totally nullifies it from falling into that category.
This is a struggle for me to follow - placing an arm when only having eyes for the player isn't deliberate?

:ROFLMAO:

I'm out.
 

Trotter

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Are you sure?


Funny looking elbow there, you can clearly see from the angle behind the players, it wasn't, it is the side of the arm, and without force, same as you see hundreds of times a weekend when a forward and central defender challenge for balls in the air. What makes it cautionable, is the fact that he was reckless, as he was more playing the man rather than the ball., as that is what he was looking.
 
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So surely at half time the talk from the manager should’ve been “get out there & prove we don’t need a shit VAR decision, we’ll win anyway. Use the injustice as a motivation”

It’s the sort of ‘us against them’ mentality that he used to forge at every club he managed.
 

cliff jones

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Funny looking elbow there, you can clearly see from the angle behind the players, it wasn't, it is the side of the arm, and without force, same as you see hundreds of times a weekend when a forward and central defender challenge for balls in the air. What makes it cautionable, is the fact that he was reckless, as he was more playing the man rather than the ball., as that is what he was looking.

haha, you’re not the seeing someone else’s opinion type are you?

we’ve all seen people dismissed for that in the past
 

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The FA need to decide. Do they want to see world stars like Son perform, or do they want nobody minor thugs like Norwood do what they want.
 

14/04/91

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Is the consensus that it was a handball?

like everyone else I watched the countless playbacks from various angles, but saw nothing conclusive?

yes, the law is an ass but I cant appreciate how they reached the verdict they did regardless of that.

shocking performance though, we clearly have one too many up top waiting for service and one too few in the mids delivering it

Absolutely spot on. It was not a clear handball, in my opinion it was smashed against his shoulder blade.
Oliver could’ve said inconclusive so goal stands.

Is that not what happened with Sanchez against West Ham for the own goal?!?!
And VAR is meant to add consistency....yeah right
 

TheHoddleWaddle

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I dont think JM is making 'excuses'. He is blaming the players for what was effectively giving up. Which they did.

We were ok upto the incident and Sheffield were nowhere to be seen. Weak mentality as a group collective. Even captain fantastic didnt rally the troops.
 

wrd

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Whether he fucking lands directly with the elbow or not, look at what is driving the action, it's the elbow, the wrist isn't leading the action, the shoulder isn't leading the action, it's the elbow.
 

Shadydan

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Which confirms the fact he was playing in a reckless (cautionable) manner.

To be a straight red card offence he has to be deliberately trying to, or likely to injure the opponent with excessive force. Placing an arm rather than swinging it, totally nullifies it from falling into that category.

Had to be you didn't it :D
 

spursbhoy67

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The issue I had with the goal being disallowed was the ball did not go from Moura to Kane so there was no advantage. The ball went to the Sheffield United defender so technically there was a change in possession. Had he cleared it over Moura play would have been waved on and the ball would have been down the pitch.

Man City had a fifth goal disallowed against Liverpool and under the current rules it was correctly ruled off. The decision in our game was a bit more vague hence the issue with how the law is written and interpreted.

I think we will see a change in the law so that in situations like our one where there is no intent whatsoever to play the ball with a hand it shall be ruled a goal.
 

spursbhoy67

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On the game itself, I am at a loss to explain how poor we were at the back and in attack. We were okay from 18 to 18, but in both penalty areas we were awful and that in the end is where teams will be judged.

I watch SU play all the time and the way to beat them is to hit them on the counter at speed. I thought that is how we were set up but seeing Sissoko, Son, Aurier, Lamela slow the game down to let them get numbers back just played right into their hands. We are not a quick possession team in the final third although we did score a good one it is not a consistent type goal from us. United scored three excellent build up goals that we should be scoring with the quality of player we can put out.

As to Mourinho, he like a lot of managers has not evolved and is still judging himself on how he was at Porto, Chelsea and Inter. He left Inter in 2010. That is a very long time in football terms. The question is whether he can rediscover that edge he had when he was younger. I know he had success at Real and Man Utd, but with the players had had he should have won stuff. His real quality era as a coach was Porto to Inter. He used to make subs and tactical changes for those three teams that would win them games. He has yet to do that with us.

My fear is that some of our players see him as an old time coach in football terms which is how the likes of Wenger and to a degree Fergie and Van Gaal were judged at the end of their tenures. It happened in another time with Bill Nicolson, Matt Busby and Bill Shankly so why not with Mourinho?

Who'd be a Spurs fan?
 
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