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Yacob1964

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ENIC have owned Spurs for the best part of 2 decades and the sum total of trophies is 1 Carling cup which quite frankly is an appalling record
for a club of Spurs size. I hear people say what a great businessman Daniel Levy is, well he may well be good at running the business side of the club but pretty much most of his footballing decisions with regards to the team and the squad have been almost negligent, ever since ENIC took over they have always pled poverty, saying that we couldn't compete for the top players because our rivals generated bigger incomes (That didn't Leicester City from winning the prem in 2015/16) and when we should have won the league we allowed Chelsea to beat to the title the following year when an investment of one or two really class players could have taken us over the line that season,then we go two transfer windows without buying anyone which inevitably has lead to our decline from the top 4 to Europa league. Ultimately the buck has to stop with someone and after getting rid of the best manager Spurs have ever had in my lifetime (and I've been a fan since 1973) and that buck stops squarely at the feet of Daniel Levy.
 
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ENIC have owned Spurs for the best part of 2 decades and the sum total of trophies is 1 Carling cup which quite frankly is an appalling record for a club of Spurs size. I hear people say what a great businessman Daniel Levy is, well he may well be good at running the business side of the club but pretty much most of his footballing decisions with regards to the team and the squad have been almost negligent, ever since ENIC took over they have always pled poverty, saying that we couldn't compete for the top players because our rivals generated bigger incomes (That didn't Leicester City from winning the prem in 2015/16) and when we should have won the league we allowed Chelsea to beat to the title the following year when an investment of one or two really class players could have taken us over the line that season,then we go two transfer windows without buying anyone which inevitably has lead to our decline from the top 4 to Europa league. Ultimately the buck has to stop with someone and after getting rid of the best manager Spurs have ever had in my lifetime (and I've been a fan since 1973) and that buck stops squarely at the feet of Daniel Levy.

So going from a mid-to-lower league finish table to finishing top-4 in a reasonably consistent manner, despite several teams having cash-doping in that time, is going to be completely disregarded.

Also, using Leicester as some sort of comparator - a massive fluke of an event...
 

Shadydan

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Honestly feeling like failure to shift certain players will hold us back again when it comes to filling gaps in the squad, time is running out once again

We have 5 weeks, our priority signings are tied up already, we need a backup striker but we don't need him for the start of the season, plenty of rotation in the forward areas and Son playing up front will get us through the next month or so.

The players who are surplus like Aurier/Rose will leave eventually because we need to raise cash for a striker so it's in our best interests to move them on, we just have to wait it out until we or the buying clubs bite, if that means towards the end of the window then so be it.
 

Yacob1964

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So going from a mid-to-lower league finish table to finishing top-4 in a reasonably consistent manner, despite several teams having cash-doping in that time, is going to be completely disregarded.

Also, using Leicester as some sort of comparator - a massive fluke of an event...
A club of Spurs size shouldn't have been competing in mid table for all those years to begin with and Leicester winning may well have been in your opinion a fluke, but that doesn't change the fact that they were league champions four seasons ago and that Spurs haven't won a league title in almost 60 years.
 

Shadydan

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A club of Spurs size shouldn't have been competing in mid table for all those years to begin with and Leicester winning may well have been in your opinion a fluke, but that doesn't change the fact that they were league champions four seasons ago and that Spurs haven't won a league title in almost 60 years.

What point are you making, ENIC came in 2001, they have nothing to do with the previous regimes or the best part of those 60 years in not winning the league...your points are consistent, not sure what you're trying to say?
 

thebenjamin

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We have 5 weeks, our priority signings are tied up already, we need a backup striker but we don't need him for the start of the season, plenty of rotation in the forward areas and Son playing up front will get us through the next month or so.

The players who are surplus like Aurier/Rose will leave eventually because we need to raise cash for a striker so it's in our best interests to move them on, we just have to wait it out until we or the buying clubs bite, if that means towards the end of the window then so be it.

We're basically playing every other day for the first 3 weeks of the season. We are surely not going to have Kane play every one of those games? Plus the internationals he'll basically be burnt out before the season is a month old.
 

Shadydan

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We're basically playing every other day for the first 3 weeks of the season. We are surely not going to have Kane play every one of those games? Plus the internationals he'll basically be burnt out before the season is a month old.

So as I said, plenty of rotation in the forward areas and playing Son up front will get us through, it's hardly panic stations.

If Jose was so adamant that we needed a striker in before a ball is kicked we'd have made it a priority, but we didn't.
 

13VanDerBale13

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We have 5 weeks, our priority signings are tied up already, we need a backup striker but we don't need him for the start of the season, plenty of rotation in the forward areas and Son playing up front will get us through the next month or so.

The players who are surplus like Aurier/Rose will leave eventually because we need to raise cash for a striker so it's in our best interests to move them on, we just have to wait it out until we or the buying clubs bite, if that means towards the end of the window then so be it.

I feel like both Son & Kane will be benched in the Cup games & it will be between Moura & Bergwijn as to who starts upfront.
My only worry is whether we will have enough firepower to win those games & therefore run the risk of over exerting Son/Kane by relying on them to help us win the game.
We have a lot of cup games to navigate through from when the season starts till the window closing.
 

Shadydan

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I feel like both Son & Kane will be benched in the Cup games & it will be between Moura & Bergwijn as to who starts upfront.
My only worry is whether we will have enough firepower to win those games & therefore run the risk of over exerting Son/Kane by relying on them to help us win the game.
We have a lot of cup games to navigate through from when the season starts till the window closing.

Our cup games consist of Europa part timers and lower league opposition, I don't think we'll need them that much TBH.
 

thebenjamin

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So as I said, plenty of rotation in the forward areas and playing Son up front will get us through, it's hardly panic stations.

If Jose was so adamant that we needed a striker in before a ball is kicked we'd have made it a priority, but we didn't.

So we'll basically have to rotate son and Kane, which doesn't seem ideal. Plus if either of them get injured then we're screwed. Doesn't seem like a good plan to me.
 

Shadydan

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So we'll basically have to rotate son and Kane, which doesn't seem ideal. Plus if either of them get injured then we're screwed. Doesn't seem like a good plan to me.

Backup striker is a priority for the season going forward, we don't need to have one for the first few weeks, we can manage.

If Hojbjerg gets injured then what shall we do, buy a Hojbjerg replacement just in case? ?‍♀️
 

13VanDerBale13

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Our cup games consist of Europa part timers and lower league opposition, I don't think we'll need them that much TBH.

It should be 'easy going' in terms of opposition, but this is Spurs after all & you never know as was shown in both cup exists last season.
 

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We have 5 weeks, our priority signings are tied up already, we need a backup striker but we don't need him for the start of the season, plenty of rotation in the forward areas and Son playing up front will get us through the next month or so.

The players who are surplus like Aurier/Rose will leave eventually because we need to raise cash for a striker so it's in our best interests to move them on, we just have to wait it out until we or the buying clubs bite, if that means towards the end of the window then so be it.

short memory. Jose said he wanted a striker in Jan- look what happened

1 light up top since FL left.

Why take the risk, again?
 

Shadydan

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short memory. Jose said he wanted a striker in Jan- look what happened

1 light up top since FL left.

Why take the risk, again?

The priorities have changed since then, the priority positions have been filled, the striker position will be filled come the end of the window, chill.
 
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A club of Spurs size shouldn't have been competing in mid table for all those years to begin with and Leicester winning may well have been in your opinion a fluke, but that doesn't change the fact that they were league champions four seasons ago and that Spurs haven't won a league title in almost 60 years.

How can you justify the current ownership being at fault for that?

It's like getting a trainer in to help a bed ridden, massively obese ex-supermodel - getting her down to a size 10, and then you're complaining about stretch marks and wrinkles.

Who was at fault for the 40 years previous, especially when we had some of the best players we've ever had in the 80's and still didn't win a league, despite having far less competition.

The same rhetoric for criticism seems to be "ENIC need to sell - they're awful and are ruining the club because we're not the best club in the league". Liverpool are echelons higher than us in the 'big club' stakes, viewed over the same period of time, and yet they've waited 30 years for a league title. Man Utd have gone from dominating to struggling to compete in a click of the fingers. Yes they've won other stuff, but that's how hard it is. Everton and Villa are on a par in the 'big club' stakes, and look at the disparity in comparison over the last 19 years. I'm sure they'd swap with us in a heartbeat.

Yes ENIC aren't pumping money in to transfers and yes they're far from perfect, but they also have maintained our identity and soul whilst improving us. For some people that's purely down to trophies and they don't care about anything else, but it isn't a binary choice - there are infinite universes where we are worse off, and infinite ones where we are better off, but the realistic arguments for 'how we could have done better' are actually not realistic in reality. At some point you have to start moaning about this stuff in the Pochettino or Redknapp or Jol threads just as much, because it gets very much about having cake and eating it.
 

thebenjamin

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Backup striker is a priority for the season going forward, we don't need to have one for the first few weeks, we can manage.

If Hojbjerg gets injured then what shall we do, buy a Hojbjerg replacement just in case? ?‍♀️

He's called Harry Winks
 
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