ENIC...

[shelfboy68]

Oh but it is... Liverpool had been working on a new stadium for many years. Grand plans, but FSG decided to bin the lot because of the prohibitive cost and because it would be hard to replicate the atmosphere of Anfield. So FSG chose the sensible approach instead of the value-maximising one. It chose Football over capital expansion.
The results are there for all to see. They go from strength to strength while we're on the slide back to mid-table mediocrity. I find that pretty grating...

I do think eventually the stadium will pay dividends for us or at least it should do over the longer term.
I think what frustrates most of us is the missed opportunities, in recent times under Harry and poch the club seemed to be just on the edge of everything only to see us falter everytime.
We seem to be a club that takes a step forward and then 3/4 back without every being in that moment, I think now having a serial winning manager if the club still falls short, then questions have to be asked of others at the club because beyond that I don't know what the answer is.

 

[spursfan77]

Oh but it is... Liverpool had been working on a new stadium for many years. Grand plans, but FSG decided to bin the lot because of the prohibitive cost and because it would be hard to replicate the atmosphere of Anfield. So FSG chose the sensible approach instead of the value-maximising one. It chose Football over capital expansion.
The results are there for all to see. They go from strength to strength while we're on the slide back to mid-table mediocrity. I find that pretty grating...

I thought it was because they couldn’t find a site and FSG had always been a redeveloped rather than a builder of stadiums (their baseball team as an example). Plus the cost of course. When they saved Liverpool from going into administration they had zero interest in building a new stadium

Our stadium will ensure we don’t return to mid table mediocrity. Don’t worry about that. The players we will be able to attract because of the income generated will see to that.

 

[shelfboy68]

ENIC takes some blame, as does Levy, Poch, the players, the scouts (if we have any), the physios

It’s too simplistic to blame one thing for this season and the longer term lack of silverware.

Poch got plenty of money and spent a fair whack on utter dross. But he could have got more money. But then would he have spent that any better? I have my doubts.

And hindsight is always a wonderful thing. Can you imagine the state of some Spurs fans if we’d done a Liverpool and signed a plodding central midfielder from Sunderland or an average looking full back from Hull? Just happened that they turned out to be amazing and relatively cheap signings, but would we support such risks? Doubt that too.

It's about having a balanced team/squad isn't it, Liverpool's midfield on paper doesn't look a world beaters but the manager has got the balance right with everyone pulling together.

 

[buckley]

The new stadium will prove in the future years to be one of the best moves and achievements . It will secure revenue that will otherwise see us fall further behind the uber rich . There is no club that can deliver the match day revenue we can .
Liverpool did not choose the Anfield atmosphere over a new stadium their American owners did not want to spend the Billion pounds needed to build a new stadium and if you had visited Anfield as I have it is not a patch on our stadium and the atmosphere vastly overrated it is the same as all clubs buzzing at certain times so so at the rest of the time .
If you think their American owners chose chose the Anfield legacy over spending a billion pounds I think you are deluded .

 

[Coyboy]

The new stadium will prove in the future years to be one of the best moves and achievements . It will secure revenue that will otherwise see us fall further behind the uber rich . There is no club that can deliver the match day revenue we can .
Liverpool did not choose the Anfield atmosphere over a new stadium their American owners did not want to spend the Billion pounds needed to build a new stadium and if you had visited Anfield as I have it is not a patch on our stadium and the atmosphere vastly overrated it is the same as all clubs buzzing at certain times so so at the rest of the time .
If you think their American owners chose chose the Anfield legacy over spending a billion pounds I think you are deluded .

Agreed on Anfield- admittedly wasn’t there for any CL nights but then WHL for Inter was pretty special.

 

[TheRevolution]

The Liverpool owners were very brave with their transfer windows after securing Klopp. Learned from previous mistakes with Rodgers and went out and spent huge sums on transfer fees and wages to ensure that the manager had his first choice players. A bold move that ultimately paid off.

I think we are quite risk averse and short sighted in this regard, and a bit too scared of having a big wage bill in the event that it might not pay off. Its certainly paid off for Liverpool, and they are probably one of the most valuable clubs in the world now.

 

[Shadydan]

We didn't push on on the pitch because we had distractions off it.

 

[hellava_tough]

We didn't push on on the pitch because we had distractions off it.

Probably could have done with a DoF during this period to mitigate that fact

 

[thekneaf]

Agreed on Anfield- admittedly wasn’t there for any CL nights but then WHL for Inter was pretty special.

Beating city at NWHL was pretty special

 

[rajmak]

I think getting a great stadium sponsor deal was key to managing the debt incurred but I think that ship has sailed with Levy holding out for the most lucrative deal and with COVID19 hitting the finances of all the companies who could have sponsored.

The biggest change I would like to see is a DOF employed who has his own budget and ability to make management decisions from dealing with transfers, player's contracts and the scouting network.

 

[spursfan77]

The Liverpool owners were very brave with their transfer windows after securing Klopp. Learned from previous mistakes with Rodgers and went out and spent huge sums on transfer fees and wages to ensure that the manager had his first choice players. A bold move that ultimately paid off.

I think we are quite risk averse and short sighted in this regard, and a bit too scared of having a big wage bill in the event that it might not pay off. Its certainly paid off for Liverpool, and they are probably one of the most valuable clubs in the world now.

And agents fees. They spent £30 million (the highest in the league) on agents fees last year and didn’t even buy a single player!

 

[DogsOfWar]

Oh but it is... Liverpool had been working on a new stadium for many years. Grand plans, but FSG decided to bin the lot because of the prohibitive cost and because it would be hard to replicate the atmosphere of Anfield. So FSG chose the sensible approach instead of the value-maximising one. It chose Football over capital expansion.
The results are there for all to see. They go from strength to strength while we're on the slide back to mid-table mediocrity. I find that pretty grating...

But the big difference was that Liverpool were a £400 million turnover team whilst we were a £250 turnover team.

And the difference in money was through commercial revenue because they are a historically massive team. We could never have caught that up.

No one is disagreeing that Levy puts money before football, just that his interest is in growing the club as big as he can in order to maximise his investment and put us in a position to compete every year.

If he can get us into the top tier with the Reals and Munich's of the world we can.

Doesn't mean he will, but since the stadium was finished we've bought in Sess, Lo Celso, Ndombele, Bergwijn, Clarke, Fernandes for £150 million or so and one of the most successful managers of the modern era. Something we could never have done before.

 

[riggi]

 

[hutchiniho]

It's about having a balanced team/squad isn't it, Liverpool's midfield on paper doesn't look a world beaters but the manager has got the balance right with everyone pulling together.

love this comment.
So very true. That midfield three is perfectly balanced to support the front three and wing backs.
They are hard, committed players that know their roles and give everything.
It helps that Liverpool have a fully mapped out system with every individually knowing their role and fitting into that shape and style.
I’d happily take some of those less flashy players that just do their job and add more value that their Perceived individual skill level

 

[spursfan77]

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that’s a fucking depressing post

 

[Deleted member 27995]

that’s a fucking depressing post

I know right?! In this day and age dogs shouldn't need go around wearing glasses like Timmy Mallett. What is the world coming to?

 

[riggi]

that’s a fucking depressing post

It’s alright when you consider we are basically Aston Villa or Everton. We aren’t comparable to those clubs in the picture.

 

[shelfboy68]

love this comment.
So very true. That midfield three is perfectly balanced to support the front three and wing backs.
They are hard, committed players that know their roles and give everything.
It helps that Liverpool have a fully mapped out system with every individually knowing their role and fitting into that shape and style.
I’d happily take some of those less flashy players that just do their job and add more value that their Perceived individual skill level

That's why we must trust Jose if anyone can do it he can.

 

[DogsOfWar]

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Exactly.
To get sustained success over 20 years you need the massive turnovers of those top 5 clubs.

I believe it's only us and Leicester who have won a single major trophy each out of the rest of the teams in the Premiership.
The priority always had to be getting the club to earn enough money to win regularly.

 

[SpursSince1980]

It’s odd how the event of Liverpool winning the league has galvanized a reflux aimed at our owners. And not all that surprising, tbh. Yet, if it had been City again or Chelsea or UtD there probably wouldn’t be this level of vitriol. I guess it niggles, as for a period we were often finishing above Liverpool. And three years ago it felt like we had the world at our feet. Great young club, amazing manager and the launch of an outstanding stadium on the near horizon. Yet, we’ve been in a backslide over the past two seasons and completely outpaced by Liverpool’s development and watched them overtake us and become one of the best in the world, if not the best. I guess we look at them and feel... that should be us... and maybe the only reason it’s not, has something to do with the way the club is run. Which I certainly understand and in parts agree with that sentiment, I also feel there’s been other factors at play that have also taken a toll on our fortunes, that aren’t completely the fault of ENIC or Levy. But yeah, there is something about it that chafes. I guess it feels like our future fortunes were usurped. And then we see Chelsea reloading, City being City, UtD bouncing back and you have the specter of Newcastle about to become a footballing superpower, fueled by mega rich owners... it all amounts to a a sense that we may find ourselves back where we were ten years ago... constantly outside the top 5, envious, yet unable to compete.

Not saying that’s a certainty, but you can absolutely sympathize with that existential sense of angst... a depressing foreboding that none of us want to feel, especially after spending three or four years touching nirvana, yet never quite being fully embraced by greatness. A depressing feeling, that I think leaves us all a bit sick inside. Especially when you look at the past thirty years and see just two trophies in the cabinet. We had glory at the tip of our fingers, and now it feels like it’ll be another generation or more before it’s in our grasp. And frankly, I’m just too old and supported the team for too long to not feel massively dissatisfied and in a state of mourning for a future that never was.