Match Threads Chelsea vs Spurs - Match Thread

[VoteMe4Prez]

I am frustrated with the result but I am fully behind Jose for next season. If it isn't working by the end of the year then it will be time to review things

 

[seppo]

Cut & paste comment from midweek.

Under investment in the squad has caused our issues. No striker = dramatic decrease in goals = much harder to win matches.

This is a bigger issue than not having a striker - this is how we're set up as a team in most of our games. We played the same when we had Son and Kane on the pitch. If you didn't know better you would think Son was a right wing-back, looking at this heatmap for any of the remotely 'big' games we have played since Mourinho took over.

 

[Saoirse]

Sorry but Kane is a huge part of the problem. Undroppable for all the wrong reasons meaning we have no back up as no one will come. Tell Me now we would be worse off with Piątek or Giroud.

Piątek was only available on a permanent deal once Hertha came in. £23m, out of form, and has his own fitness issues. If you sign him in January, that probably means you can't get a different striker come the summer. In hindsight? Obviously, yes. But if you didn't know Son was going to get injured (which happens very rarely), and you knew someone else was available in the summer, it seems an understandable choice from Mourinho. So I'll judge that one after the summer window. Giroud I don't see how we could have got, it always relied on Chelsea having a much better replacement to justify them selling him to a rival and that didn't happen for them after the Cavani deal fell through.

 

[mpickard2087]

As I've said since November or December, quite simply Alderweireld and Vertonghen shouldn't be in the team anymore. Jan's legs have gone, Toby's have also basically. They're now reduced to timid, passive, slow defending that just allows attackers time and space to do what they want as they cling on and pray they can somehow deal with it. Jan shouldn't get a new contract, and the decision to award Toby a fat new one was a supremely retarded decision for several reasons, both for on and off field reasons.

Both goals today came from these two lumbering, decrepit pensioners just being simply unable to react and deal with what was happening in and around them.

Maybe none of them would have been ultimately good enough and taken their chance, maybe no partnership would have been found going forward, but we had 6 months during a transitional season, that included a managerial change halfway through which buys time, to assess Sanchez, Foyth, Dier, Tanganga and whoever else and see if any could find some form or build a partnership at the back and maybe learn something going into future seasons and maybe even save us some time effort and resources on buying for that position. At the moment I just think all we're doing is pointlessly wasting time, matches, and minutes on a couple of players who are only going to continue going in the wrong direction, decline.

 

[Up From Dover]

Kane was one of the most dedicated youngsters we've had, training harder than anyone else, showing huge amounts of maturity. Parrott is flying to Dubai to introduce Dele to the son of a drug cartel boss, and reportedly whacking his dick in his teammates faces on international duty. You're very, very lucky if you get a Kane once in a generation and Parrott is absolutely not the same thing.

Not suggesting Parrott will be as good as Kane just like to see him given a chance.

 

[Phil-spur99]

I just want the season to end as soon as possible. It’s not going to be happy viewing and I say that going to the Wolves games next as my first trip to the new stadium.

I know we’ve got injuries that have undoubtedly hampered Mou but I don’t see any style of play emerging.

To quote Fergie it feels like we’ve gone back to being a “Lads... it’s Tottenham...” team. Might be unpopular but I think Winks epitomises that.

 

[John48]

2-1 flatters us. Could've got a pasting if GLC had been deservedly sent off. Time to ignore football for a couple days and go again.

I don't think GLC should have been sent, that arsehole came diving in under him to get the ball & didn't give him any options on where to put his foot down because he was off balance from the ferocity of the challenge.

 

[rupsmith]

Not suggesting Parrott will be as good as Kane just like to see him given a chance.

In a game against a top 4 side?

 

[SE Spurs]

That was pretty weak. We didn't deserve the one.

We could start with a back 7, we'd still concede goals. We don't have the pace, or individual discipline at the back to keep clean sheets. And if you can't at least share possession in midfield, you've got no hope without a front man who can hold up play.

 

[Saoirse]

whilst I agree with some of this, yes the board have “loosened” the purse strings, however the squad building is very poor and on their shoulders. Whoever decided to let Llorente go without a replacement made a very poor decision, even more so to try and get him to stay by halving his wages. Penny pinching of the highest order.

We also pander to Kane to much...this “he must play every single minute when available” is harming the squad development. No other club has that situation surely? To say we can’t have a decent striker to act as Kane’s replacement is an excuse. You can you just have to pay for them.

The former is true - impossible to know who made that choice to let him go. The latter is nothing to do with Levy, he doesn't pick the team and I highly doubt he's told managers that they couldn't spend their transfer money on a striker. Poch chose other priorities last summer and seemingly chose poorly (while I'm sure they're talented, investing for the future in Sessegnon and Clarke seems hard to justify given the immediate state of the squad and their horrific form).

 

[leray]

Doesn’t he have a 50mEUR release at Dortmund?

Don't know, but my point still hands. He's not gonna be available for 50m. He will be sold for 150. 50 for Dortmund, 100 for Raiola.

 

[13VanDerBale13]

The sooner this season ends the better

 

[wrd]

Post match BT are ripping us apart.

 

[sebo_sek]

Piątek was only available on a permanent deal once Hertha came in. £23m, out of form, and has his own fitness issues. If you sign him in January, that probably means you can't get a different striker come the summer. In hindsight? Obviously, yes. But if you didn't know Son was going to get injured (which happens very rarely), and you knew someone else was available in the summer, it seems an understandable choice from Mourinho. So I'll judge that one after the summer window. Giroud I don't see how we could have got, it always relied on Chelsea having a much better replacement to justify them selling him to a rival and that didn't happen for them after the Cavani deal fell through.

An International striker that has talent and a proven record available for a mere 23 million. Pointless, right?

 

[Saoirse]

That's really on the manager isn't it? You work with the youngsters, get them to match fitness so that they are able to give the senior players a run for their money. I was expecting Jose to come in with fresh ideas, game plans but all I see is a leaking defence and a non-existent midfield and putting players at their wrong positions. I am not seeing a difference in both Jose and Poch's management at the moment.

Which is probably because it's nothing to do with the tactics or game management of two different world-class managers, and more systemic issues with the squad which are going to take more than two transfer windows to resolve.

 

[VoteMe4Prez]

As I've said since November or December, quite simply Alderweireld and Vertonghen shouldn't be in the team anymore. Jan's legs have gone, Toby's have also basically. They're now reduced to timid, passive, slow defending that just allows attackers time and space to do what they want as they cling on and pray they can somehow deal with it. Jan shouldn't get a new contract, and the decision to award Toby a fat new one was a supremely retarded decision for several reasons, both for on and off field reasons.

Both goals today came from these two lumbering, decrepit pensioners just being simply unable to react and deal with what was happening in and around them.

Maybe none of them would have been ultimately good enough and taken their chance, maybe no partnership would have been found going forward, but we had 6 months during a transitional season, that included a managerial change halfway through which buys time, to assess Sanchez, Foyth, Dier, Tanganga and whoever else and see if any could find some form or build a partnership at the back and maybe learn something going into future seasons and maybe even save us some time effort and resources on buying for that position. At the moment I just think all we're doing is pointlessly wasting time, matches, and minutes on a couple of players who are only going to continue going in the wrong direction, decline.

It is so sad to see these 2 decline so much but it's only nature taking its course. All their hard work they have given for so long and no trophy that both so deserve.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Well, once again, with the players, squad and injuries we have, this isn't surprising and it's about what we should expect for the rest of the season. I don't know how people still get so angry at what's been blatantly obvious since before Pochettino was sacked.

For very VERY many reasons, the squad is fucked, all these magical solutions people offer up are just that, fanciful thinking at best. We need new players. Why haven't we signed new players? Why has the squad been allowed to stagnate to this awful degree? Just how ambitious are we to succeed on the pitch.

Look baldwards and ask these questions.

 

[roslau]

Should apologise to all fans for this abysmal performance. Away fans should get refund too.

 

[ajspurs]

We won a few games with Kane playing scoring goals, didn't we? Like Sonny last week? Focal point. You can't win football matches without a striker.

Yes but we also lost games playing very similarly to how we did today with the both of them and we've only played two games without a striker (or decent focal point), so I certainly wouldn't go as far as saying you can't win games without a striker, not yet anyway. My main frustration with that comment though is how it seems like an excuse to be playing the way we're currently playing.

It's really not good enough, even without a striker and the fact that we performed as such even with a striker suggests that there are fundamental problems with the way we're playing. You say we need a focal point but if you go back and watch Saints away in the league or Chelsea at home even before Son got sent off and tell me how having a focal point in a striker helped any bit, because it really didn't, may as well not have even had Kane in either of them. It's the play behind the striker that's a bigger worry than the striker for me.

 

[Thewobbler]

Doesn’t he have a 50mEUR release at Dortmund?

Man utd didnt sign him because they wanted a low release clause so all his family and agent can cash in on him by transferring him all the time. Disgusting that a club has to pay the guys father let alone so much to his agent.