Arsenal

[C0YS]

Nope it was a goal. Var mess it up again. Goalkeeper would never have saved it.

I'm not sure that it's relevant. Lets look at the laws shall we.

Offside offence

A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by

• interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or
• interfering with an opponent by:
• preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
• challenging an opponent for the ball or
• clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or
• making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball

Okay now it is debatable if any of these actions are relevant. In the case of Xhaka, however, Xhaka by being in that position might well have had an impact in the ability for the goalkeeper to play the ball. If he would have saved it or not is not important, it's not a hypothetical decision, we have to assume the goalkeeper is lev Yashin and if it is technically possible, and his ability is hindered then that affects the stipulation applies. Looking at it over and over I think it does apply. If Xhaka isn't there it is technically savable.

However, I don't think Xhaka is in the line of sight of the goalkeeper, I don't think he is trying to play the ball and I don't think he is making an obvious action, the action in this case is standing in an offside position and avoiding the ball. So, I think the decision is wrong. Though there is still a possibility that some minor contact was actually made is the ball.

I don't like VAR, but, what's important to note, is that VAR didn't disallow the goal, the lino did. So VAR or not this goal would have been disallowed. Now the question is should VAR overturn it. Possibly, I think the Lino made the wrong call, but it does have a degree of subjectivity. What I'm trying to say is this was a referring mistake not a VAR mistake, and frankly I would prefer VAR to ¡be used minimally, so I think Arsenal were hard done by, but this isnt a particular case of VAR.

 

[C0YS]

I don't personally think they've had a quality centre back since Vermaelen. That's a long time for the same issue to be holding you back.

Vermaelen had one good season and went off the boil. Koscielny was actually a very dependable centre back who started slow but became very important for them.

 

[C0YS]

Yeah, as I said, they're lacking creativity from midfield. His insistence on not playing Aubameyang centrally is also weird. He'd probably put away some of the chances that Lacazette's missed so far.

However, great teams are build from the back, and if he manages to find the right balance, albeit with a lack of creative midfielders, they will be very hard to beat.

On paper playing PEA out wide makes sense, and he played there often under Emrey too. The thing about PAE is he isn't really someone who can hold up the ball and bring others into play, and Lacazette is much more able at that. There is also the second thing, forwards from out wide often get more chances than central strikers these days, obviously depends on how you play, but centre forwards are increasingly becoming more support players and wide players more finishers. Starting out wide does not mean you wont get as many chances, and also you get different kinds of chances that maybe suit PEA more.

The thing is PEA is 31 now, and there is an element that suggests when you get older it's easier to play centrally, as you need to do a little less running, particularly when you are a player whose principle currency is goals, and not chance creation. So I suspect he should be played more centrally to get more goals, but is PEA can't do things that now are vital for 3 man attacks, which is dropping deep and helping construct play, that'll be a big weakness. The solution would be to go 4-2-3-1 and get a creator in there to build attacks from and relieve pressure on the CF to build attacks. But Arsenal don't have that kind of player, and furthermore, their player acquisition strategy means long term I suspect they'll be getting a lot of square pegs. We will see, but what is going on in the background at Arsenal is very concerning for them.

 

[mr ashley]

I'm not sure that it's relevant. Lets look at the laws shall we.

Offside offence

A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by

• interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or
• interfering with an opponent by:
• preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
• challenging an opponent for the ball or
• clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or
• making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball

Okay now it is debatable if any of these actions are relevant. In the case of Xhaka, however, Xhaka by being in that position might well have had an impact in the ability for the goalkeeper to play the ball. If he would have saved it or not is not important, it's not a hypothetical decision, we have to assume the goalkeeper is lev Yashin and if it is technically possible, and his ability is hindered then that affects the stipulation applies. Looking at it over and over I think it does apply. If Xhaka isn't there it is technically savable.

However, I don't think Xhaka is in the line of sight of the goalkeeper, I don't think he is trying to play the ball and I don't think he is making an obvious action, the action in this case is standing in an offside position and avoiding the ball. So, I think the decision is wrong. Though there is still a possibility that some minor contact was actually made is the ball.

I don't like VAR, but, what's important to note, is that VAR didn't disallow the goal, the lino did. So VAR or not this goal would have been disallowed. Now the question is should VAR overturn it. Possibly, I think the Lino made the wrong call, but it does have a degree of subjectivity. What I'm trying to say is this was a referring mistake not a VAR mistake, and frankly I would prefer VAR to ¡be used minimally, so I think Arsenal were hard done by, but this isnt a particular case of VAR.

I really don’t see what all the fuss is with this decision.
Xhaka was in an offside position and affecting Schmeichel. It’s easy to imagine that without xhaka pinning schmeichel to the goal line (as anyone on the keeper should do), that schmeichel would have been in a position where that header becomes a routine save.
Honestly, I think if wasnt a big club looking for an excuse for a poor result, the media would have brushed over this decision (much like they did for the Robertson handball that wasn’t awarded for Sheffield United).
For all the nonsensical decisions this season, the officials need some credit for getting this one right.

 

[C0YS]

I really don’t see what all the fuss is with this decision.
Xhaka was in an offside position and affecting Schmeichel. It’s easy to imagine that without xhaka pinning schmeichel to the goal line (as anyone on the keeper should do), that schmeichel would have been in a position where that header becomes a routine save.
Honestly, I think if wasnt a big club looking for an excuse for a poor result, the media would have brushed over this decision (much like they did for the Robertson handball that wasn’t awarded for Sheffield United).
For all the nonsensical decisions this season, the officials need some credit for getting this one right.

I don't think it was right, but I don't think it should have been overturned either. As you suggest, this was an incident which happens in football, and could be argued over. It's not a clear cut injustice at all. I can understand why Arsenal fans would feel hard done by it, but come on!

 

[mr ashley]

I don't think it was right, but I don't think it should have been overturned either. As you suggest, this was an incident which happens in football, and could be argued over. It's not a clear cut injustice at all. I can understand why Arsenal fans would feel hard done by it, but come on!

Arsenal fans feel hard done by about everything. Truth is they benefit from dodgy referreeing about as much as Liverpool do.
No sympathy.

 

[soflapaul]

Okay now it is debatable if any of these actions are relevant. In the case of Xhaka, however, Xhaka by being in that position might well have had an impact in the ability for the goalkeeper to play the ball. If he would have saved it or not is not important, it's not a hypothetical decision, we have to assume the goalkeeper is lev Yashin and if it is technically possible, and his ability is hindered then that affects the stipulation applies. Looking at it over and over I think it does apply. If Xhaka isn't there it is technically savable.

Impressive and knowledgeable example for goalkeeper. And as much as i agree it is highly unlikely he would saved that shot, he did not have a chance and that alone would make it reasonable to rule it offside.

 

[riggi]

 

[sausage]

I don't think it was right, but I don't think it should have been overturned either. As you suggest, this was an incident which happens in football, and could be argued over. It's not a clear cut injustice at all. I can understand why Arsenal fans would feel hard done by it, but come on!

Demot Gallagher said this:

The assistant flags because he thinks Xhaka is in the vision of the goalkeeper. They feel he's so close to Kasper Schmeichel and the goal in his starting position that it impacts on the goalkeeper and his ability to move either way. That's why it was disallowed. The assistant signalled it to the referee, the referee agreed with it and the VAR felt the assistant and the referee were right on this occasion.

 

[C0YS]

Demot Gallagher said this:

Yeh and that's a fair interpretation, but you could argue differently. That's the thing with football laws, as laws outside of football, they are subject to interpretation.

 

[Sweech]

Noticed defending legend Mustafi came on as sub too.

Seems kinda odd Arteta has bombed out Socratis as he seemed far more solid a player?

And Saliba who was being hailed as best thing ever and given 4 shirt is again nowhere to be seen after they failed in loaning him out.

They do some weird stuff there nowadays.

Considering they think having a “streamlined” approach without scouts is better I wouldn’t be surprised if they have more purchases like this in the future.

 

[Gb160]

Found this fucking travesty

 

[King of Otters]

Found this fucking travesty

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Please god make it stop

 

[Gb160]

Please god make it stop

I’m going to put it in my sig.

 

[ikky]

 

[whitechina]

Found this fucking travesty

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What were you looking for to find that?
Are you sure you're ok?

 

[Tucker]

Found this fucking travesty

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Fuck me that Robbie **** has made a fortune out of exploiting these characters. I wonder if he gives any to them.

 

[SlotBadger]

Found this fucking travesty

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Holy shit, I just burst out laughing at the split second hesitation at the beginning where he waits for the all clear to move.

The first upward swing of his right hand looks like he’s just caught a guaranteed six at the boundary and lobbed the ball skyward.

 

[bomberH]

Found this fucking travesty

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Robbie standing above him pulling the strings like some sort of ****puppet

 

[rossdapep]

Found this fucking travesty

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Reminds me of that advert a while ago
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Belly's gunna get ya!