King of Otters
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The gammons on Twitter will have a field day with that one. Doubt anyone else will give a shit though.
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The gammons on Twitter will have a field day with that one. Doubt anyone else will give a shit though.
Timbo Tottenham
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Isn’t he implying that the referee is racist? In that Harry Kane isn’t getting booked because he is white? I don’t want to defend AFTV but that was my interpretation, unless I’ve got the context wrong.
razzmaster
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I think in the current climate it is important to show consistency when it comes to racism. The Harry Kane comment clearly has a racist undertone and should not be acceptable. If a white person had aimed a similar comment towards a black person there would be uproar and rightly so.
I personally would never look at someones skin colour and use that as a reason why a decision went a certain way and anyone who does is clearly being racist whether intentionally or not.
Mark_147
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Agreed he's saying saka got booked because he's black, and kane didn't because he's white, thus accusing the ref of being racist. It's not a racial slur like the dvd comment, but it's pretty stupid none the less.
hellava_tough
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In some respects it's probably worse than a racial slur, because it's defaming an innocent man. The consequences of such an action could see a life ruined.
Timbo Tottenham
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Could you explain so that I understand?
It sounds to me like he’s saying “our player is getting booked because he’s black while Harry Kane isn’t getting booked because he’s white”. That sounds to me like he’s accusing the referee of being racist. Of course there are racial undertones as he’s talking about race, but that doesn’t make what he said racist.
Would saying “he’s not getting booked because he’s black” be racist? Or is it again an accusation of racism? They are pathetic statements, while using race to make a point, but I don’t think they are racist.
Anyone who knows my views, knows that I am hugely anti-racist, so if I am incorrect in my interpretation please let me know.
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The bookings had nothing to do with race. Saka was clear dissent. Players know they’re getting a yellow for that an so does everyone watching. I don’t even remember what Kane is supposed to have done but if it’s Ty asking for it you have to put if into perspective as the only colour involved are his Arsenal branded rose tinted specs.
razzmaster
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It is a really difficult one to interpret but my views are to look at the tone and context and in this case the fact Harry Kane is white was a key factor in what was said. If he was accusing the ref of racism he should just come out and say it. I try to steer clear of these types of debates but in this case I think it was clearly a comment aimed at Harry Kane based on his skin colour.
Your interpretation could well be right but that is where racism is difficult to prove and as such it is so important to think before you speak, which is not easy for AFTV.
For example Ade Akinfenwa was likened to a water buffalo which he took to be racist. It may have been racist or just because he was strong. Either way only the person who said it will really know. The sensible thing is just don't say it in the first place. Similar to the old saying "it's better to keep quiet and let people think you are an idiot, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"
We all say stupid silly things, some could always be construed as racist rightly or wrongly.
I liked Claude but doesnt excuse what he said which was clearly aimed at Son - although lets not forget up until a a few years ago fans were singing about people eating dogs and selling DVDs. It would have been far better if he just came out, admitted what he said was wrong and apologised. It was made worse by the story they gave yesterday and that just snowballs into a situation that becomes irreversible.
I liked Claude but doesnt excuse what he said which was clearly aimed at Son - although lets not forget up until a a few years ago fans were singing about people eating dogs and selling DVDs. It would have been far better if he just came out, admitted what he said was wrong and apologised. It was made worse by the story they gave yesterday and that just snowballs into a situation that becomes irreversible.
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Seriously?
It was a stupid, ignorant thing to say, but it’s not going to ruin anyone's career because no one will take it seriously...but it’s still a stupid, hurtful thing to say.
Racial slurs by contrast do regularly ruin people's lives though, despite also being stupid and ignorant, because not everyone recognised them as such, and plenty don’t particularly cares about what effects effects they may have.
So both are wrong and neither is forgivable. But I absolutely can’t accept that the Kane-based comment was worse than racism.
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Claude has gone, not the first time he's disappeared, but deserved for what he said.
The comments about Kane aren't racist and we don't need a witch hunt against AFTV. I'm sure there are comments in Spurs fan videos or podcasts that could be equally called out as edgy or even racist. Like fans from any club I bet.
The comments about Kane aren't racist and we don't need a witch hunt against AFTV. I'm sure there are comments in Spurs fan videos or podcasts that could be equally called out as edgy or even racist. Like fans from any club I bet.
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As has been mentioned that Troops bellend has made derogatory comments about Xhaka and is Albanian heritage before as well. If you film a bunch of morons for 2+ hours their real selves will be exposed. They are all huge arseholes with Robbie being the biggest for profiting off stuff he knows to be wrong and exploiting people like Claude and Ty.
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Wow. I've only just seen this, I'm shocked to be honest
It was only a matter of time until those clowns imploded
When passions run high, people's true colours come out
Troopz and Claude are both total numpties
Insomnia
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I disagree with this Robbie saw a gap in the market and has done very well for himself, he's been clever chosing a varied dynamic from his fan base & lets be honest we've (when I saw we I mean all fans of other Clubs) have loved watching them meltdown and tarnish the image of their best ever manager and so forth when they throw their dummies out of the pram. The arseholes are his pundits not him, he's a shrewd fucker he is and he's quite likeable for a goon
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You're jumping from the specific to the general, which doesn't really follow.
On the one hand there is the widespread serious effects of racism in a society.
And on the other hand there is the effect of racism and the idea of racism on an individual. This is also serious.
On this second point, the way it plays out for the individuals involved varies and in my opinion is not uniform.
For instance, I could call Anthony Joshua a racial slur and it wouldn't have much effect on him, apart from making him angry (bad idea!) and causing him the sensation of disgust. That's because he's a man of privilege, due to his economic and societal status. It also helps that he won the genetic lottery, as all elite level athletes have.
If I, on the other hand, refused to give a regular member of the public a job because of their skin colour, this has a massive effect on their lives; economically, socially, from a personal confidence stand point, etc.
Furthermore, if someone falsely accuses me of racism this also has a huge effect on my life; I could lose my job, have difficulty finding a new one, suffer reputational damage, etc.
All I'm saying is there are two areas to consider; the macro and micro. And with regard to the micro, it plays out in different ways depending on the circumstances.
But I do agree with you on people not taking AFTV seriously
Col_M
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Or he is implying unconscious racism. And frankly, these guys ar Black and are probably more sensitive to that that I am. I didn't take office to what he said. but H is the pseudo captain considering Hugo is the other end of the pitch.
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You're jumping from the specific to the general, which doesn't really follow.
On the one hand there is the widespread serious effects of racism in a society.
And on the other hand there is the effect of racism and the idea of racism on an individual. This is also serious.
On this second point, the way it plays out for the individuals involved varies and in my opinion is not uniform.
For instance, I could call Anthony Joshua a racial slur and it wouldn't have much effect on him apart from making him angry (bad idea!) and causing him the sensation of disgust. That's because he's a man of privilege, due to his economic and societal status. It also helps that he won the genetic lottery, as all elite level athletes have.
If I, on the other hand, refused to give a regular member of the public a job because of their skin colour, this has a massive effect on their lives; economically, socially, from a personal confidence stand point, etc.
Furthermore, if someone falsely accuses me of racism this also has a huge effect on my life; I could lose my job, have difficulty finding a new one, suffer reputational damage, etc.
All I'm saying is there are two areas to consider; the macro and micro. And with regard to the micro, it plays out in different ways depending on the circumstances.
But I do agree with you on people not taking AFTV seriously
These are important themes.
I have long argued that racism gains traction from the way we, as society, so often wave away its milder manifestations. It isn't a matter of how this specific mouth-fart will affect Heung-Min Son because it probably won't have much affect at all and had it not been for the media reaction he wouldn't even know about it. The same goes for your hypothetical Anthony Joshua slur: it probably wouldn't hurt him directly but it would be another brick in the wall.
And I believe you're in danger of vastly underestimating the corrosive effect that racial insults have on the lives of people who are regularly subjected to them. It's not the same as any old passing insult.
The important thing is to acknowledge that casual racism, and particularly those who excuse it, are legitimising it and making it even more difficult to eradicate.
I've also said that the real menace of racism doesn't come from the far-right extremist white supremacists because the majority of people have no truck with them, and they are the outcast margins of society. The real menace comes from ordinary people who often inadvertently promote the idea that some people can be treated differently from others on the basis either of their skin colour or their place of birth.
OK, let's not get into the whole racism argument here because there's a separate thread for it, but the point is that the macro is made up of of all the micro incidents without which it wouldn't exist. If we tolerate the micro incidents, we contribute to the larger problem.
And the larger problem of racism shouldn't be diluted by comparison with individual injustices of other kinds, They are all wrong and anything that has a negative effect on anyone's life is a very serious matter, but there's no reason to use that to diminish the huge problem that's propped up by casual racism.
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