Japhet
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Oops! I'll edit it. You could also tell DiVaio that if he finds himself in an alley blocked with cardboard boxes, don't panic - they're all empty. Got that one off Starsky and Hutch.
Player Watch: Pierre-Emile Højbjerg
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Oops! I'll edit it. You could also tell DiVaio that if he finds himself in an alley blocked with cardboard boxes, don't panic - they're all empty. Got that one off Starsky and Hutch.
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I will. Also driving through barns is safe as well. For some reason the wood just gives though expect chicken feathers and a comical banjo instrumental to accompany such shenanigans
Snarfalicious
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Still think he’d be a smart addition, one that would fill a need, bring some leadership to the side, and would allow for us to sell Sissoko and also could give Skipp a good player to learn behind. Obviously there are better defensive midfielders out there, but PEH very well could be the best one we can hope for based on costs/experience.
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Thoroughly pragmatic and I think how, as fans, we may have to approach this transfer window considering everything else going on right now with our club.
Timberwolf
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Assuming So'ton want to sign KWP, I think this deal will be ours if we want it (subject to a month of Levy lowering his 50 million evaluation of KWP and bartering over the structure of the deal).
Question is, given RB is also a problem position, would keeping KWP and seeking another DM, or doing a deal while keeping KWP, be the better option?
Personally, since I get the impression Jose and the club want Hojbjerg and CDM is more of a priority position than RB, I think we'll go through with it. After all, I doubt So'ton would be dumb enough to let us sign Hojbjerg at a discount AND take back KWP.
Just gotta hope we don't regret it if KWP becomes top class over the next few years.
Question is, given RB is also a problem position, would keeping KWP and seeking another DM, or doing a deal while keeping KWP, be the better option?
Personally, since I get the impression Jose and the club want Hojbjerg and CDM is more of a priority position than RB, I think we'll go through with it. After all, I doubt So'ton would be dumb enough to let us sign Hojbjerg at a discount AND take back KWP.
Just gotta hope we don't regret it if KWP becomes top class over the next few years.
Snarfalicious
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I think we will value PEH more than anything as he will also assist with (hopefully) unlocking Ndombele’s permanent position and help to solidify the defense. KWP will play a big part of that being able to happen, and I think if he is what gets the deal over the line that’s what will happen. A subsequent move for a RB(s) likely will come from sales of other midfielders and Aurier, but the first domino would likely be PEH. All this “In theory” I guess.
punkisback
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I think he's one of those players like big Vic whom we thought looked underwhelming but once with us will good quite decent. Right now we don't need nor can afford a world class DM we just need a good one.
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I appreciate this is a Spurs forum, but one could see it as a win-win situation in that we either get a DM with PL experience or we get a RB who’s gained more PL playing time and confidence.
We only lose if we let Soton keep KWP and still fail to sign PEH. So that is probably what will happen. ?
We only lose if we let Soton keep KWP and still fail to sign PEH. So that is probably what will happen. ?
Japhet
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Probably right, but I think this is just the scenario Poch was trying to avoid, although we were doing better at that time. In a season or 2 will we be regretting signing Hojbjerg because we need better but don't have any room? Not saying Hojbjerg will be a bad signing (far from it) but I can't see him making us real contenders. Maybe we should just accept that and go with it - I don't know.
JayB
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I remain thoroughly unconvinced about Hojbjerg. I've watched many Southampton matches since he joined them and he's never once jumped out at me as a player who is clearly playing at a club that is below his true level the way that say, Zaha, does on a regular basis. That's a purely subjective analysis, of course, but he doesn't fare that much better statistically.
I took after a poster in the scouting thread and ran a Football Slices (website which pulls data from Statsbomb) comparison between Hojbjerg and Ibrahim Sangare, who Toulouse fans seem to think is available for €10m, given that they've been relegated and he's down to his final year.
As you can see Hojbjerg is middling in nearly every category that Statsbomb identifies as pertinent to DM performance. The only statistics in which he ranks in the fourth quartile are successful pressures and passes into the final third. Sangare is ahead of him in every defensive stat except for interceptions. We know that Hojbjerg ranks well in total ball recoveries (not represented on this chart), but there's an open question as to whether that's a function of Hasenhuttl's preference to give up possession and try to win the ball back in dangerous positions through a press. His poor tackling percentage numbers would suggest it may be.
Hojbjerg strikes me as a Sissoko, Lucas, or Aurier-style signing of someone who we bring in because he's available and superficially checks a number of boxes, but whose true level is mid-table and who will in no way propel us forward. Ultimately I'd happily take him over no one, but I really wish we would set our sights higher.
I took after a poster in the scouting thread and ran a Football Slices (website which pulls data from Statsbomb) comparison between Hojbjerg and Ibrahim Sangare, who Toulouse fans seem to think is available for €10m, given that they've been relegated and he's down to his final year.
As you can see Hojbjerg is middling in nearly every category that Statsbomb identifies as pertinent to DM performance. The only statistics in which he ranks in the fourth quartile are successful pressures and passes into the final third. Sangare is ahead of him in every defensive stat except for interceptions. We know that Hojbjerg ranks well in total ball recoveries (not represented on this chart), but there's an open question as to whether that's a function of Hasenhuttl's preference to give up possession and try to win the ball back in dangerous positions through a press. His poor tackling percentage numbers would suggest it may be.
Hojbjerg strikes me as a Sissoko, Lucas, or Aurier-style signing of someone who we bring in because he's available and superficially checks a number of boxes, but whose true level is mid-table and who will in no way propel us forward. Ultimately I'd happily take him over no one, but I really wish we would set our sights higher.
DiVaio
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Yeah, his stats are very good. Never watched him though, but @HB_HeadCoach(recommend his account a lot, analyst and trained with Bergwijn), maybe just Hojbjerg is better fit for us? And did we actually were linked with Sangare before?I remain thoroughly unconvinced about Hojbjerg. I've watched many Southampton matches since he joined them and he's never once jumped out at me as a player who is clearly playing at a club that is below his true level the way that say, Zaha, does on a regular basis. That's a purely subjective analysis, of course, but he doesn't fare that much better statistically.
I took after a poster in the scouting thread and ran a Football Slices (website which pulls data from Statsbomb) comparison between Hojbjerg and Ibrahim Sangare, who Toulouse fans seem to think is available for €10m, given that they've been relegated and he's down to his final year.
As you can see Hojbjerg is middling in nearly every category that Statsbomb identifies as pertinent to DM performance. The only statistics in which he ranks in the fourth quartile are successful pressures and passes into the final third. Sangare is ahead of him in every defensive stat except for interceptions. We know that Hojbjerg ranks well in total ball recoveries (not represented on this chart), but there's an open question as to whether that's a function of Hasenhuttl's preference to give up possession and try to win the ball back in dangerous positions through a press. His poor tackling percentage numbers would suggest it may be.
Hojbjerg strikes me as a Sissoko, Lucas, or Aurier-style signing of someone who we bring in because he's available and superficially checks a number of boxes, but whose true level is mid-table and who will in no way propel us forward. Ultimately I'd happily take him over no one, but I really wish we would set our sights higher.
JayB
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Sangare has been discussed here on SC for the past year or more which is why he was on my radar. Whether or not we've been credibly linked with him I'm not sure. At least with Sangare we'd be getting a younger player with significant scope to improve. If his biggest weakness is that he takes too many risks with the ball, you'd think that would be something that can be coached out of him. Hojbjerg is much more experienced and nearly three years older, so seems less likely to continue developing.
I honestly don't think we're linked with Hojbjerg because the scouting setup has identified him as the best player for our needs, but rather because he's a player whose contract is down to a year remaining at a club where we can ship an unwanted academy player in part exchange. It'd be a purely opportunistic signing of a player who I don't think is good enough. We desperately need a DM so I'm not opposed to it, I'm just thoroughly underwhelmed.
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Yeah he's an interesting one to look at as he's been pressed to fill a role in a southampton side that will likely be different than what we ask of him. I have confidence in his ability to adapt and become what we need due to his leadership characteristics and his early scouting reports at bayern. His flexibility, in ways, has probably been detrimental to his development, thus far. I think it's quite similar to Dier, as Dier has filled in at RB and DM for us when he absolutely is best at CB. I think he has the capability to excel as a DM if given a that role, definitively.
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I’m sure the clip ends before the chicken feathers but here’s proof that the laws of physics were less shit in the 70s
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I know nothing about Ibrahim Sangare so I'm passing no opinion but is it really relevant to compare him in the French League with Hojbjerg in the Premier League?I remain thoroughly unconvinced about Hojbjerg. I've watched many Southampton matches since he joined them and he's never once jumped out at me as a player who is clearly playing at a club that is below his true level the way that say, Zaha, does on a regular basis. That's a purely subjective analysis, of course, but he doesn't fare that much better statistically.
I took after a poster in the scouting thread and ran a Football Slices (website which pulls data from Statsbomb) comparison between Hojbjerg and Ibrahim Sangare, who Toulouse fans seem to think is available for €10m, given that they've been relegated and he's down to his final year.
As you can see Hojbjerg is middling in nearly every category that Statsbomb identifies as pertinent to DM performance. The only statistics in which he ranks in the fourth quartile are successful pressures and passes into the final third. Sangare is ahead of him in every defensive stat except for interceptions. We know that Hojbjerg ranks well in total ball recoveries (not represented on this chart), but there's an open question as to whether that's a function of Hasenhuttl's preference to give up possession and try to win the ball back in dangerous positions through a press. His poor tackling percentage numbers would suggest it may be.
Hojbjerg strikes me as a Sissoko, Lucas, or Aurier-style signing of someone who we bring in because he's available and superficially checks a number of boxes, but whose true level is mid-table and who will in no way propel us forward. Ultimately I'd happily take him over no one, but I really wish we would set our sights higher.
My personal opinion on Hojbjerg is that he obviously showed talent and potential as a youngster which took him to Bayern. I believe as his strength has developed he's grown into his ability and that will continue into the second half of his twenties, I think he will only get better, I really do think he'll be a good buy.
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If we can manage to craft a straight swap deal for KWP and him I can see how this is viewed as a sensible move by the club. And if we plan to bring in a RB, it’s probably worth the punt. But he’s not any better than Winks. He’s also not a no. 6!!!
There are no compilations up on YouTube for Winks’ season, but I guarantee you if they clipped Winks best moments together he’d look as impressive or better than Hojbjerg. Same goes for Winks stats if he played for Southampton
There are no compilations up on YouTube for Winks’ season, but I guarantee you if they clipped Winks best moments together he’d look as impressive or better than Hojbjerg. Same goes for Winks stats if he played for Southampton
Christ that's the most damning indictment of PEH i have heard yet as winks is nothing more than a mark noble in my opinion - lightweight sideways merchant, no more than that.
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After recent games, and whilst I wasn’t quite as sold on Hojberg, I do think his leadership could make him more valuable than I first considered.
JayB
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France may not be the Premier League but it is considered a top five league. I chose Sangare because he's the other player at this position that has been touted as being within our price range. I also ran a comparison with Ndidi (which was far more unflattering for Hojbjerg), but didn't bother posting it because Ndidi is miles out of our reach. Sangare is nearly three years younger than Hojbjerg and has made 115 fewer senior appearances, so you'd expect that Sangare has significantly more scope for improvement, and his statistical output is already better (though in an easier league).
Regardless, even if you were to ignore the comparison aspect of the chart, it still shows Hojbjerg to be a thoroughly middling player. I can understand that our budget is constrained by the pandemic, but I'm already sick of watching players of the quality of Sissoko, Davies, Lucas, etc., and I think that's Hojbjerg's level. I'd take him over no one, but I think with a bit of scouting we can do better. If we do sign him I sincerely hope he'll prove me wrong.
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I remember many of the more critical comments about Hojbjerg being made about Wanyama when we signed him, I hope that this goes the same way if we sign him (apart from the bit where Wanyama's legs stopped working).
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