Jose Mourinho
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Timberwolf
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Yup - clearly a talented player but about as unsuited to AVB's style of play as anyone we could've signed. Someone like Negredo would've been a far better fit.
kendoddsdadsdogsdead
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it is that bad I think. Alderweireld is nowhere near the same as he was although I would probably still have him starting at the moment. Sanchez, well the perception is he has the raw attributes but he gets thrown around by most physical forwards in this league, has ok pace but nothing amazing maybe similar to Aurier, hesitant doesn’t attack the ball at the right time then ends up fouling or getting on the wrong side. Aurier probably has better raw attributes than Sanchez but gets a lot more criticism. Dier is very flat footed, ball watches and struggles passing the ball through the lines into midfield. Davies is just very average at everything. That’s the painful truth I believe.
they’re maybe alright if you have everyone back defending deep in our own half like the Man Utd game but when they are tasked with defending when we are the team dominating the ball they get found out.
richard_gleeson
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I thought Paulinho looked class before we bought him, and class in his early games. Soldado I thought was more physical than he actually turned out to be. Both completely lost their confidence and never ever recovered
rossdapep
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The only problem I have with that is the 'type' of coach.
Hoddle - experienced at the time, not a winner but a coach with a reputation for getting teams to play well (not with us though) -
Santini - A vastly experienced coach who was much more defensive minded. - a winner
Jol - A coach who wanted his team to attack and be open. - a project coach
Ramos - A coach who wanted his team to be highly tactical/technical and disciplined. - a winner
Redknapp - A coach who wanted his teams to play on the front foot and have a go. Typical 4-4-2 football. - a short term coach
AVB - A technical/tactical coach who wanted to control games. - A project coach
Poch - A highly rated upcoming coach - A project coach
Mourinho - Pragmatic coach who has won it all - winner/short term.
As you can see we bounce around from coach to coach, no specific identity of how we want it to be. And I'd argue that two of those reactive gambles were the more successful (Jol, Redknapp) other than Poch of course.
....And that's why we don't have success or continuation. Decisions are too reactive and not made with a consistent theme.
Agree that the back four are often lacking conviction and confidence. The lack of quality crosses into the box was poor. Cant see it being Jose's fault if the players are mediocre. Toby and Jan are not the same players anymore so need to move on from them.
Bouncing from coach to coach is not a problem if they each get 100mil or so to build their own team.Worked for Chelsea to a degree
Ossie85
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I think we had the right coach in Poch. We should've had more patience. He was not the problem.
Now we made our bed. We need to stick with Mourinho and give him the chance. This season was always gonna end like this. We are not good enough.
That said, I don't think he's the right fit for our club and will never be. I don't think he is past his best, but his style of football and the need for mega signings doesn't fit with us as a club
Now we made our bed. We need to stick with Mourinho and give him the chance. This season was always gonna end like this. We are not good enough.
That said, I don't think he's the right fit for our club and will never be. I don't think he is past his best, but his style of football and the need for mega signings doesn't fit with us as a club
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muppetman
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I like the approach of clubs like Southampton (who to be fair lost their way for a bit) who have an idea of how they want to play, a clear recruitment strategy and can then appoint a manager that fits within that "ethos".
We on the other flip-flop from one extreme to the next as you've highlighted.
I thought we were on the cusp of becoming another Monaco (back when they were good) or BVB - buy up and coming probable stars (but now at £30M a go rather than the £5M of previous years) under an exciting coach and understand that they will want to move on to bigger and better things. When they do you rake in the cash, rinse and repeat.
I don't think we can go toe to toe with the genuine superclubs - ManC, ManU, Chelsea and Liverpool but thought this should be enough to win a pot or two and exciting to watch.
Then, if succesful and the new ground does start to change the landscape maybe even think about becoming one of the superclubs.
As for Jose, he won't leave, he won't be sacked for a while so we are stuck with him but I will be amazed if Levy is going to sanction any sort of clearout and rebuild.
The way I see it is that we saw Mourinho as someone who is better spending 15m a year at than spending 150m i.e. hoping Jose could make our team greater than the sum of its parts - that aint gonna happen obviously.
I didnt want Jose and dont blame him entirely but at the same time i think he could do better with that squad.... either need to back him with a shitload of vcash which Jose has always been about or need to bring someone who will actually coach and make players better... thats why Poch coming back makes sense but if not then Nagelsmann who i really do like if we dont want to go back to what we know.
I dont think from what we have seen on the pitch that Levy would entirely trust spending 100m on a Koullibally who Jose would want for example.
This is all about building for next season and dont think we are even towards or on that trajectory
I didnt want Jose and dont blame him entirely but at the same time i think he could do better with that squad.... either need to back him with a shitload of vcash which Jose has always been about or need to bring someone who will actually coach and make players better... thats why Poch coming back makes sense but if not then Nagelsmann who i really do like if we dont want to go back to what we know.
I dont think from what we have seen on the pitch that Levy would entirely trust spending 100m on a Koullibally who Jose would want for example.
This is all about building for next season and dont think we are even towards or on that trajectory
wrd
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I think Jose should be doing better with the squad that we have but I do agree with him on our mentality, it's weak and it has been since that final. I'd say that given that he hasn't had the ability to shape the squad yet and once he has had the summer then I'd be more inclined to be critical of the comments seeing as he had the chance to build add what he wants to the squad. Having said that It's also worth remembering he got the job by saying that he had everything he needed with the personnel that we have.
fortworthspur
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we're paying him a lot of money for 9th place.
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I guess it has been since the final hasn't it because we showed such character to get to the final. The football on the pitch wasn't amazing by that point but there was guts and still flashes of quality. Pity that it covered the cracks as Poch was clearly getting frustrated by that point.
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But that's a debate for another thread.....
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That's the first time I've ever seen anyone complain about ENIC spending money.
wrd
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Yeah the footballing ability had long died before then but at least we still had the tenacity leading up to the final to not give up and dig in and be brave and win many football games we didn't deserve to. We now have a new manager who is at the least trying to re-implement some structure but the mental fortitude that Poch had built throughout his tenure is well and truly gone within the players.
fortworthspur
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you must not have been around when we bought Sissoko on deadline day.
Much better placed than when he came in though.
wrd
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This constant bringing up of us being 14th is so weak, we were 14th after 12 games in and one win would take us to 5th as Jose literally proved in the next after being fucked by VAR twice which cost us 5 points which at the time of sacking would have had us 5th and 2 points clear of 6th. Is the argument is that things are better now because for one game week during a period of the season where the difference between a loss and a win was about 12 positions meant we were 14th?
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