rossdapep
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This person isn't English so it's possible he meant differently but I understood the tone. It's not our sole goal, of course we'd like to win but other things are important too.
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SUIYHA
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The two are intrinsically linked. If the business isn't doing well then the playing side must regress, and likewise business gets good when the team is successful on the pitch. The point with the stadium was that we would have a few years of austerity, maybe even a decade of austerity, but then forever more have more financial muscle than most other clubs as a result of it.
The problem is that whilst they did a fantastic job to turn us into a good team, they have miserably failed at their attempts to KEEP us as a top team, and the business is likely to suffer as a result.
Arsenal figured out that they'd make more money by doing just enough to get top four every year without breaking the bank, but at the time when they started this they had little competition - Liverpool and ourselves were a mess and Man City were a non-entity. They probably thought they'd quite easily be able to finish top four every season with a minimal investment into the side. Whereas surely Levy must have realised that we would always be underdogs even when we were good - there are six teams going for four spots. Maybe that's why he's always tried to be cautious with it all...
Wsussexspur
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We can moan all we want about Enic and im firmly in the camp that they need to go.. But sadly that just isn't going to happen any time soon. They will be quite happy to under invest in the football side for years to come as long as mugs (like me) keep buying the tickets and selling out the stadium in the vain hope that one day they might realise the errors of there ways and invest in the team and we can get back to where we were 2/3 seasons ago.
As long as the stadium keeps selling out and they can pack as many events in there on top of the football they will be happy as Daniel Levy and uncle Joe's back pockets will keep being filled with the money they are creaming in from the stadium. Lets be honest its not really our stadium is it any more.. Its a multi purpose entertainment venue which we happen to play at..
As long as the stadium keeps selling out and they can pack as many events in there on top of the football they will be happy as Daniel Levy and uncle Joe's back pockets will keep being filled with the money they are creaming in from the stadium. Lets be honest its not really our stadium is it any more.. Its a multi purpose entertainment venue which we happen to play at..
SpartanSpur
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This is the only thing keeping me from jumping on the 'we're going back to mid-table for the forseeable future' and the 'when Kane leaves I'm done' bandwagons.
My worry is whether we have the right conditions to recover this time. You'd hope Mourinho has enough about him to fix us if backed sufficiently with players that can fit his style of play (and show basic defending ability). Unfortunately there are big questions over the mental fragility of this squad and whether he is the man to repair it.
I want to believe Levy is the real ambitious Spurs man people that know him say he is, but the truth is 90% of the lavish spending that has been done under him has been on the stadium and training ground, which of course in turn has made Levy and ENIC richer (through the increased valuation of the club), much more than winning a league title ever would have. Granted this last summer window was quite impressive with two huge signings, however we still went into the season with one recognised RB and no backup to Kane.
Personally I think we need new ownership, however in true Spursy fashion I think anyone that would be willing to pay the now huge asking price for the club would be the type of buyer like Kroenke, Hicks/Gillet or the Glazers, none of whom have covered themselves in glory.
ardiles&villa
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Any other big club around the world and the fans would be calling for levy’s head...one trophy in 20 years just proves that they are nothing short of incompetence with regards to on field management of the club and they need to go
AberdeenYid
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Let’s say we do have someone who arrives on the scene and wants to pay the £1.5b - £2b that it’s would take to buy us.
What’s the plan then? We have to stick to FFP. Covid is still a thing, making naming rights tough and strong transfer business difficult. We still have a world class striker that plays every minute when he is almost fit, so will still find it difficult to sign another brilliant striker that will play in the League Cup only. We’ll still have a good squad on paper that we’ll find tough to shift for better players. We’ll still have a few other clubs battering massive wedges of cash around the place, hoovering up talent that we may want.
What happens then? Are new owners the magic potion that’ll mean we suddenly start winning multiple titles? Or will we still find ourselves around the top four and maybe challenging for the odd cup?
What’s the plan then? We have to stick to FFP. Covid is still a thing, making naming rights tough and strong transfer business difficult. We still have a world class striker that plays every minute when he is almost fit, so will still find it difficult to sign another brilliant striker that will play in the League Cup only. We’ll still have a good squad on paper that we’ll find tough to shift for better players. We’ll still have a few other clubs battering massive wedges of cash around the place, hoovering up talent that we may want.
What happens then? Are new owners the magic potion that’ll mean we suddenly start winning multiple titles? Or will we still find ourselves around the top four and maybe challenging for the odd cup?
mill
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maybe new owners could appoint someone who knows what they’re doing to run the football side, someone with a coherent strategy rather than a wheeler dealer with a list of players with expiring contracts
A bit of genuine on field ambition wouldn’t go amiss either
AberdeenYid
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I agree we desperately need a DOF. I’ve no reason to believe Levy identifies transfer targets, but if he does, he should stop. If it was Poch, he should’ve been stopped too. A proper structure with the best of scouts is what I’d like to see.
But even putting this in place doesn’t mean we’ll be any better. We don’t operate in a vacuum where everyone else is going to stand aside and let us win. New owners will mean we will continue to challenge for trophies, just like we have been doing for the past few years but no more.
Essex Spur
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I dont want to be knee jerk, but frankly I have had enough of the nearly men tag ! I grew up watching us in the 80's when we always had a decent team, no matter what, as much as I love the new stadium and infrastructure unless there is a dramatic change (I cant see happening) I think Levy has had his time here now !
mill
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We could at least do more to make the most of what we have and not shit the bed when we’re in a position of strength on the pitch
Doctor Dinkey
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I think with ENIC it has always been, primarily, about the stadium. It could be argued that now they have their international standard entertainment venue, the football club becomes almost secondary. Is their vision for us to be a ‘tourist club’ and to fill the stadium up with casual visitors who are there to admire the stadium? If so, and the performance of the football team is ignored or of lesser importance, that would surely be terminal for the business in the long term.
ENIC have no vision for the footballing side. Which is why it was left neglected for 3 years and why they gave us a self imposed transfer ban. The only vision they have is for the business. They fail to understand the team needs to win for their entertainment tourist venue to be a success. They have no appetite for winning. If they did, we wouldnt only have 1 trophy in 20 years.
shelfboy68
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They are on track to deliver their dream of a sports and entertainment group perhaps internationally, for drawing in huge streams of revenue whilst retaining zero ambition or passion for the club itself.
mickdale
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i think the only way ENIC would care is if the stadium is half empty and the next shirt sponsorship negotiation crashes as nobody is buying shirts and its not particuarly appealing unless its about concerts/American eggball.
VAR, "sit down" stewards in "the white wall" etc etc - the matchday experience isnt great once you get in the bowl and past the first "cmon you spurs" at the opening whistle, unless we go one up quickly or against bitter rivals. People will get used to pizza and pie'n'pint in the concourses.
Our great history is getting further and further away.
VAR, "sit down" stewards in "the white wall" etc etc - the matchday experience isnt great once you get in the bowl and past the first "cmon you spurs" at the opening whistle, unless we go one up quickly or against bitter rivals. People will get used to pizza and pie'n'pint in the concourses.
Our great history is getting further and further away.
HedgieSpur
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The yacht, I can understand, but losing close to $1bn on Bear Stearns was just crazy
spursfan77
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We are basically waiting for him to die to see if anything changes. Obviously I’m not wishing that to happen.
I guarantee one thing, there won’t be any cash for THFC in his will. He seems like one of those rich people who wants to take it all with him when he goes so nobody else can have it.
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spursfan77
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Youre 100% right but people won’t want to hear it. I’ve always said I’d give them a few seasons in the new stadium to see if they change their approach on the back of it. People don’t have the patience for that though. There’s nothing wrong with wanting to progress but it has to be beaded in realism.
stormfly
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Our performances on the pitch will already be hitting ENIC where it hurts as sponsors will be put off having naming rights on a stadium where the team doesn’t even play in one of the biggest club competitions in the world. Maybe it would have been wiser to get one in just after we were in the CL final.
VancouverSpur
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No doubt Uncle Joe will have a funeral pyre made entirely of 20pound notes when he goes and play "You cant always get what you want" by the Stones in honour of Spurs.
Isn't FFP calculated over a 3/4 year period? Over that time we've had record profits twice, and very little spend, I realize that we spent in the summer and winter window but that spread over that period compared to income is still relatively small, if someone wanted to come and spend, I would think the first year they could actually go pretty big.
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