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Jose Mourinho

How do you feel about Mourinho appointment

  • Excited - silverware here we come baby

    Votes: 666 46.7%
  • Meh - will give him a chance and hope he is successful

    Votes: 468 32.8%
  • Horrified - praying for the day he'll fuck off

    Votes: 292 20.5%

  • Total voters
    1,426

buckley

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Sep 15, 2012
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The sky people just can't help themselves they put on an item about spurs and what they are doing in this crisis to help and Jose's part in it but the programme morphs into a "we love Chelsea " item you could not make it up and as I say they just cannot help themselves .
 

Yiddo100

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Jan 16, 2019
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The sky people just can't help themselves they put on an item about spurs and what they are doing in this crisis to help and Jose's part in it but the programme morphs into a "we love Chelsea " item you could not make it up and as I say they just cannot help themselves .
Are you on about the day with Jose thing?
 

bubble07

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Dec 27, 2004
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Positive article in the athletic on JM

Jose Mourinho was always determined to make the most of the time he spent out of work last year. As well as learning German and mining other sports for inspiration, he read constantly.

One of the writers who made a particular impression on him was Charles Darwin, the author of On the Origin of Species, the seminal text on evolutionary biology. Mourinho was particularly taken by the idea of having to adapt to survive.

He did not expect, however, to be applying those principles quite so soon. But over the last couple of months, the unprecedented shutdown has provided Mourinho with an opportunity, in footballing terms, to show that he can adapt better than his coaching rivals.

His ability to do so could decide whether, when play resumes, eighth-placed Tottenham can bridge the four-point gap to Manchester United in fifth, which as it stands would be enough to secure a Champions League place. Spurs, remember, play United in their first match back when play resumes, and so could instantly move to a point off the Champions League places due to Manchester City’s European ban.
Lose it, like they did when outplayed by Ole Gunnar Solskjaer and his side in December, and even a Europa League spot could look like a stretch. It’s why hitting the ground running is so important, and why Mourinho is doing everything in his power to ensure the team are as well prepared as possible.

Before we assess how Mourinho has been looking to get that edge, it’s clear that even without small evolutionary adaptations, Spurs have received a few enormous boosts during the lockdown. The return to full fitness of Harry Kane, Moussa Sissoko and Son Heung-min will make a massive difference, and The Athletic understands that Steven Bergwijn is also making good progress from the ankle injury he suffered two months ago. He too could be back when play resumes, and is said to be feeling very relaxed and happy after the birth of his first child in April.
All of which leaves Mourinho, in his own words last Thursday, “desperate for the Premier League to return as soon as it is safe to do so”. In the Premier League managers’ meeting a day earlier he is said to have been one of the coaches more bullish about football coming back. In general, the Tottenham players are understood to have been similarly “very keen” to get back to training at Hotspur Way.

Spurs were also one of the first Premier League clubs to have their players tested for COVID-19 last week, and appear as ready as anyone to start up the season again — once it’s deemed safe to do so.

But until it is, Mourinho has been trying to adapt in the most effective way possible. Since the start of small-group training this week for instance, he has cycled around Hotspur Way to be able to watch as much of what is going on as possible. With six pitches to cover and players having a half to themselves, Mourinho decided to channel his inner Chris Froome. Some of the players, like Son, have also used bikes to scoot around Hotspur Way.

Generally though, face-to-face time has been so limited that Mourinho’s main interaction with his squad has been to emphasise the psychological rather than the tactical. With players not allowed at the training ground for the early period of the lockdown, sessions were held primarily on Zoom (on top of that ill-advised one-on-one tutorial with Tanguy Ndombele in the park). A daily late-morning session with the squad was a way of running through some exercises, but it was predominantly about fostering team spirit by having all the group together.

Mourinho took an active role in the sessions, which goalkeeper Michel Vorm describes to The Athletic as “really good”. The sessions are not thought to have been especially innovative, but perhaps this ties into the idea that they were more about trying to make the players feel as though, despite the social distancing, they were still part of a team. This remains a challenge with players only being permitted to work in small groups at the training ground.

Throughout the period, the attitude of the players is said to have been outstanding. A few lockdown violations aside, the Spurs squad is generally an obedient and respectful group, which has helped at a time when it would be easy for them to become restless.
Ensuring the players retain those levels of motivation has been Mourinho’s main aim. During the season, he often sends coded messages through the press, but over the last couple of months he has been able to be more direct. Mourinho is a frequent texter rather than caller and has been staying in touch with the players predominantly via WhatsApp. He views the current period as an opportunity to get to know the players better and create a stronger bond for when play resumes.

Lucas Moura is one of the players Mourinho particularly connects with and he has attempted to build the Brazilian’s confidence since taking over in November. “(Mourinho) has given me moral support that I have never had since I arrived in Europe,” Moura told ESPN Brazil in April.
At the moment, that moral support is aimed at ensuring that the players are coping with the strangeness of the situation. Mourinho has always taken a keen interest in his players’ wellbeing off the pitch, and that is where the emphasis lies at the moment. Just as it did after the defeat at RB Leipzig when Mourinho was seen in deep conversation with Jan Vertonghen, who had just discovered that his family had been robbed at knifepoint. Offering almost paternal advice is a role he likes to take with his players, especially now given the circumstances.
There is also a sense among some sources that the enforced break has given Spurs a chance to shake off the hangover that lingered after the end of last season. They had little time to process June’s Champions League final before the start of this season and then the tumultuous end to Mauricio Pochettino’s reign. The disappointment has weighed heavily on the players for much of the season.

The November arrival of Mourinho also meant he had no pre-season with the players. Now, albeit in extremely strange circumstances, they are having one — of sorts. Doing so has offered Mourinho the chance to convey his philosophy and stress to the players that they need to have a bit more arrogance if they are to achieve their potential. In the short-term, that potential certainly includes Champions League qualification, especially with matches against top-five rivals Manchester United, Sheffield United and Arsenal all to come, and neither Liverpool nor Manchester City left to play.

As for tactical discussions, these have largely been placed on the back burner until the players can put such matters into practice together on the training pitch. Instead, such conversations have taken place between Mourinho and the coaches he’s been living with during the lockdown (another potentially important adaptation). It is with them, in a house close to the club’s training ground, that Mourinho analyses the data recorded by the players’ GPS vests during the training sessions.

None of which is to say that Mourinho’s approach during the lockdown will necessarily work, but for a manager who prides himself on his man-management and psychological expertise, he has been given the perfect opportunity to show that he can still galvanise a squad.
It’s also strange to think that in February Mourinho repeatedly said he wished he could fast forward to July 1 to have all his injured players back. In footballing terms, that more or less happened a few weeks later when football was stopped until the summer.
The break has allowed Mourinho to put his Darwinian principles to the test, and with transfer funds expected to be minimal in the summer, it’s an opportunity he has to grasp.
 
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fishhhandaricecake

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Nov 15, 2018
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So as we’ve had a bit of a break from Spurs and a chance to reflect on Jose’s short tenure so far what is the current feeling about if he will be a success or not?
my view is that things could go one of two ways but unfortunately the longer I’ve thought about it the more I can only seeing it ending badly but below are my balanced points/ view:
Positives
  • We have a fully fit squad which is quite strong when all fit
  • He‘s a good motivator and tactician
  • He’s very experienced and is a ‘winner’
  • Knows the PL well and has a point to prove
  • Lots of players have come out and said very positive things about Jose’s time in charge so far
  • His press conferences are box office and having him as our manager has raised our level of attention across europe and possibly globally
Negatives
  • With no back-up to Kane we are walking a tightrope and any manager would struggle with just one striker on the books
  • Reduced funds due to Covid so possibly little room to improve the squad?
  • His critical man management doesn’t always suit the new type of player
  • Negative style will frustrate fans especially if/when results don’t go our way (this is n.o1 point for me, if we can play a half decent more possession based positive style against ‘lesser‘ opposition and use a more ‘negative’ approach in more important matches if that’s what Jose thinks can get us a title/trophy then I can Mabye stomach that but what worries me is that we played very negatively against the likes of Norwich, Southampton and others and the home game to Man City sure we won 2-0 but they had about 20 shots and we had 2/3 yes you Could say it’s effective tactics but the chances they missed I’d say it was just lucky and for me it’s painfully dull watching such anti-possession park the bus football and it’s very much not spurs. If the results aren’t very impressive I think the fans will turn very quickly and quite possibly the players too.

    So for me it’s quite simple, the club need to help him improve the squad in summer funds or no funds, swaps, loans whatever it takes, (back-up striker, RB,LB, possibly CM & AM), BUT I think Jose’s style of play will be his undoing unfortunately, I hope I’m wrong, I like him as a character and think he still does have a good amount to offer I just don’t think he’s a good fit for our club.
Thoughts?
 

yankspurs

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Aug 22, 2013
41,883
71,188
So as we’ve had a bit of a break from Spurs and a chance to reflect on Jose’s short tenure so far what is the current feeling about if he will be a success or not?
my view is that things could go one of two ways but unfortunately the longer I’ve thought about it the more I can only seeing it ending badly but below are my balanced points/ view:
Positives
  • We have a fully fit squad which is quite strong when all fit
  • He‘s a good motivator and tactician
  • He’s very experienced and is a ‘winner’
  • Knows the PL well and has a point to prove
  • Lots of players have come out and said very positive things about Jose’s time in charge so far
  • His press conferences are box office and having him as our manager has raised our level of attention across europe and possibly globally
Negatives
  • With no back-up to Kane we are walking a tightrope and any manager would struggle with just one striker on the books
  • Reduced funds due to Covid so possibly little room to improve the squad?
  • His critical man management doesn’t always suit the new type of player
  • Negative style will frustrate fans especially if/when results don’t go our way (this is n.o1 point for me, if we can play a half decent more possession based positive style against ‘lesser‘ opposition and use a more ‘negative’ approach in more important matches if that’s what Jose thinks can get us a title/trophy then I can Mabye stomach that but what worries me is that we played very negatively against the likes of Norwich, Southampton and others and the home game to Man City sure we won 2-0 but they had about 20 shots and we had 2/3 yes you Could say it’s effective tactics but the chances they missed I’d say it was just lucky and for me it’s painfully dull watching such anti-possession park the bus football and it’s very much not spurs. If the results aren’t very impressive I think the fans will turn very quickly and quite possibly the players too.

    So for me it’s quite simple, the club need to help him improve the squad in summer funds or no funds, swaps, loans whatever it takes, (back-up striker, RB,LB, possibly CM & AM), BUT I think Jose’s style of play will be his undoing unfortunately, I hope I’m wrong, I like him as a character and think he still does have a good amount to offer I just don’t think he’s a good fit for our club.
Thoughts?
For all is faults, Jose is still one of the best managers in the world. Yes, the man is a ****. But guess what? He’s our **** now. And at times this team needs a fucking kick up the ass. So im okay with it(though the constant criticism of a few of them in the press is uncalled for). Yes, i will probably get tired of him like everyone else after a few years. Until then, i’ll enjoy the ride. I’ll live with the pragmatism if we win 2-3 major trophies over the next 3 years.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Nov 15, 2018
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One thing that really stuck to me during lockdown is when I watched a ‘la liga el Classico game‘ from the Jose Real Madrid era.

Madrid were at home to Barcelona and he’s that Barca team was amazing but Jose’s team included :
C.Ronaldo, Di Maria, peak Ozil, Marcelo, Benzema, peak Adeneyor, Alonso those players are more than cape able of playing some attractive positive football but what did he do? He puts Pepe in CM and parks the bus, the mighty great Real Madrid with all that attacking talent at HOME and he parks the fucking bus, it was the worst most horrible game of football if you were a Madrid fan they just sat back and then when they did get the ball they were so deep and got pressed so just lost it straight away and suprise surprise Barca eventually broken them down and won, it was inevitable. And that for me was the turning point for Jose, his tactics just don’t consistently work against the peps and klopps etc and he and his teams have never been the same since. Yes he still has something to offer but for me he’s just not the right fit for spurs. But hey I hope it works out and I’ll be glad to see football back but if we play like we did home to Chelsea and Norwich and Southampton then tbh I won’t be overly glad it’s back as the football we served up for me was up there with Santini as the most hard to watch since Ive been a spurs fan.
 

Dirtysanchez6

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May 15, 2018
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One thing that really stuck to me during lockdown is when I watched a ‘la liga el Classico game‘ from the Jose Real Madrid era.

Madrid were at home to Barcelona and he’s that Barca team was amazing but Jose’s team included :
C.Ronaldo, Di Maria, peak Ozil, Marcelo, Benzema, peak Adeneyor, Alonso those players are more than cape able of playing some attractive positive football but what did he do? He puts Pepe in CM and parks the bus, the mighty great Real Madrid with all that attacking talent at HOME and he parks the fucking bus, it was the worst most horrible game of football if you were a Madrid fan they just sat back and then when they did get the ball they were so deep and got pressed so just lost it straight away and suprise surprise Barca eventually broken them down and won, it was inevitable. And that for me was the turning point for Jose, his tactics just don’t consistently work against the peps and klopps etc and he and his teams have never been the same since. Yes he still has something to offer but for me he’s just not the right fit for spurs. But hey I hope it works out and I’ll be glad to see football back but if we play like we did home to Chelsea and Norwich and Southampton then tbh I won’t be overly glad it’s back as the football we served up for me was up there with Santini as the most hard to watch since Ive been a spurs fan.
You talking about the season his Real Madrid team won the league ??
 

Dirtysanchez6

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May 15, 2018
1,455
5,638
One thing that really stuck to me during lockdown is when I watched a ‘la liga el Classico game‘ from the Jose Real Madrid era.

Madrid were at home to Barcelona and he’s that Barca team was amazing but Jose’s team included :
C.Ronaldo, Di Maria, peak Ozil, Marcelo, Benzema, peak Adeneyor, Alonso those players are more than cape able of playing some attractive positive football but what did he do? He puts Pepe in CM and parks the bus, the mighty great Real Madrid with all that attacking talent at HOME and he parks the fucking bus, it was the worst most horrible game of football if you were a Madrid fan they just sat back and then when they did get the ball they were so deep and got pressed so just lost it straight away and suprise surprise Barca eventually broken them down and won, it was inevitable. And that for me was the turning point for Jose, his tactics just don’t consistently work against the peps and klopps etc and he and his teams have never been the same since. Yes he still has something to offer but for me he’s just not the right fit for spurs. But hey I hope it works out and I’ll be glad to see football back but if we play like we did home to Chelsea and Norwich and Southampton then tbh I won’t be overly glad it’s back as the football we served up for me was up there with Santini as the most hard to watch since Ive been a spurs fan.
Oh and his Madrid team got over 100 points at that time a record and scored 121 goals boring eh that would be a tough watch ! The haters need to get off his back and get off that media agenda band wagon ?
 

Ledley's Right Foot

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Jun 18, 2012
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So as we’ve had a bit of a break from Spurs and a chance to reflect on Jose’s short tenure so far what is the current feeling about if he will be a success or not?
my view is that things could go one of two ways but unfortunately the longer I’ve thought about it the more I can only seeing it ending badly but below are my balanced points/ view:
Positives
  • We have a fully fit squad which is quite strong when all fit
  • He‘s a good motivator and tactician
  • He’s very experienced and is a ‘winner’
  • Knows the PL well and has a point to prove
  • Lots of players have come out and said very positive things about Jose’s time in charge so far
  • His press conferences are box office and having him as our manager has raised our level of attention across europe and possibly globally
Negatives
  • With no back-up to Kane we are walking a tightrope and any manager would struggle with just one striker on the books
  • Reduced funds due to Covid so possibly little room to improve the squad?
  • His critical man management doesn’t always suit the new type of player
  • Negative style will frustrate fans especially if/when results don’t go our way (this is n.o1 point for me, if we can play a half decent more possession based positive style against ‘lesser‘ opposition and use a more ‘negative’ approach in more important matches if that’s what Jose thinks can get us a title/trophy then I can Mabye stomach that but what worries me is that we played very negatively against the likes of Norwich, Southampton and others and the home game to Man City sure we won 2-0 but they had about 20 shots and we had 2/3 yes you Could say it’s effective tactics but the chances they missed I’d say it was just lucky and for me it’s painfully dull watching such anti-possession park the bus football and it’s very much not spurs. If the results aren’t very impressive I think the fans will turn very quickly and quite possibly the players too.

    So for me it’s quite simple, the club need to help him improve the squad in summer funds or no funds, swaps, loans whatever it takes, (back-up striker, RB,LB, possibly CM & AM), BUT I think Jose’s style of play will be his undoing unfortunately, I hope I’m wrong, I like him as a character and think he still does have a good amount to offer I just don’t think he’s a good fit for our club.
Thoughts?

If the players, fans and board trust him enough to follow his leadership, he will lead us to trophies. He is a ridiculously talented manager. There's a lot of rubbish written about him, he has made some pretty ugly gaffs through his career and we all enjoy a bit of schadenfreude but his trophies outweigh the gaffs tenfold.

I've never seen him as a negative manager per se. The Chelsea team he built first time round I remember too well as a spurs fan :-(
The only boring thing about them was they just kept winning. (Duff and Robben, with Drogba were a front three that played some awesome stuff).

Inter was a weird one, an ageing team who he turned into title winners, played some good stuff (How many of us wanted schnejder?) But he was defined as negative because of the champions League final against some of the greatest Barcelona players in history. How he managed to win that game is a question of some beauty.

Then Real. Against that Barca team again. The players of that team you mention above are good but no where near the peak Barca of the time. They won the league (record points if I recall) but again they played defensive against Barca - I can't think of a team that could of beaten them going open.

He is pragmatic. He does have a win at all costs approach, which is galling for the opposition, and your own fans if you don't win but he is not lacking in talent nor is he a negative coach.

His time at utd was weird. It seemed to be the job he had waited for and wanted but he wasn't loved or trusted there and the rot had set into that club way before he joined. It seemed to affect him more than it should have done. He was grizly, gnarly and acted as if the criticism of him was disrespectful of his achievements. How he got that team to trophies is another mystery to me, especially over the team we had. And here he is. Leading us.

Poch was a genius for us but by the time he left our winning spirit seemed broken. The players seemed to play this season as if the past 4 years were luck. That they didn't deserve to win. The fight had gone, the teamwork, the giving everything, the belief was gone. For me that's what made it so difficult to watch. How could, for example, Dele and Toby and Dier and Eriksen play so ordinary when we had seen how extraordinary they could be?

Mourinho knows all this. He also knows the game has changed. He will get us competing again. The style of play will also improve as his coaching begins to kick in. I'm hopeful. I don't think CL qualification is feasible this year, think we've given ourselves too much to do but we will win most of our games and next year, you're right. We don't need much but we do need to add to the squad.
 
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spids

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Jul 19, 2015
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One thing that really stuck to me during lockdown is when I watched a ‘la liga el Classico game‘ from the Jose Real Madrid era.

Madrid were at home to Barcelona and he’s that Barca team was amazing but Jose’s team included :
C.Ronaldo, Di Maria, peak Ozil, Marcelo, Benzema, peak Adeneyor, Alonso those players are more than cape able of playing some attractive positive football but what did he do? He puts Pepe in CM and parks the bus, the mighty great Real Madrid with all that attacking talent at HOME and he parks the fucking bus, it was the worst most horrible game of football if you were a Madrid fan they just sat back and then when they did get the ball they were so deep and got pressed so just lost it straight away and suprise surprise Barca eventually broken them down and won, it was inevitable. And that for me was the turning point for Jose, his tactics just don’t consistently work against the peps and klopps etc and he and his teams have never been the same since. Yes he still has something to offer but for me he’s just not the right fit for spurs. But hey I hope it works out and I’ll be glad to see football back but if we play like we did home to Chelsea and Norwich and Southampton then tbh I won’t be overly glad it’s back as the football we served up for me was up there with Santini as the most hard to watch since Ive been a spurs fan.

The year before he tried to play offensively against Barca and got hammered 5-0. So he changed his tactics against them to be more defensive and actually won the league that year.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Nov 15, 2018
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If the players, fans and board trust him enough to follow his leadership, he will lead us to trophies. He is a ridiculously talented manager. There's a lot of rubbish written about him, he has made some pretty ugly gaffs through his career and we all enjoy a bit of a schadenfreude but his trophies outweigh the gaffs tenfold.

I've never seen him as a negative manager per se. The Chelsea team he built first time round I remember too well as a spurs fan :-(
The only boring thing about them was they just kept winning. (Duff and Robben, with Drogba were a front three that played some awesome stuff.

Inter was a weird one, an ageing team who he turned into title winners, played some good stuff (How many of us wanted schnejder?) But he was defined as negative because of the champions League final against some of the greatest Barcelona players in history. How he managed to win that game is a question of some beauty.

Then Real. Against that Barca team again. The players of that team you mention above are good but no where near the peak Barca of the time. They won the league (record points if I recall) but again they played defensive against Barca - I can't think of a team that could of beaten them going open.

He is pragmatic. He does have a win at all costs approach, which is galling for the opposition, and your own fans if you don't win but he is not lacking in talent nor is he a negative coach.

His time at utd was weird. It seemed to be the job he had waited for and wanted but he wasn't loved or trusted there and the rot had set into that club way before he joined. It seemed to affect him more than it should have done. He was grizly, knarly and acted as if the criticism of him was disrespectful of his achievements. How he got that team to trophies is another mystery to me, especially over the team we had. And here he is. Leading us.

Poch was a genius for us but by the time he left our winning spirit seemed broken. The players seemed to play this season as if the past 4 years were luck. That they didn't deserve to win. The fight had gone, the teamwork, the giving everything, the belief was gone. For me that's what made it so difficult to watch. How could, for example, Dele and Toby and Dier and Eriksen play so ordinarily when we had seen how extraordinary they could be?

Mourinho knows all this. He also knows the game has changed. He will get us competing again. The style of play will also improve as his coaching begins to kick in. I'm hopeful. I don't think CL qualification is feasible this year, think we've given ourselves too much to do but we will win most of our games and next year, you're right. We don't need much but we do need to add to the squad.
Yea v good post mate agree with a lot of this. Fingers crossed it works out :)
 

spids

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For me one of the interesting things is the bond he has forged with a lot of the players. The likes of Toby, Hugo, Lucas all have incredibly positive things to say about him.
 

BringBack_leGin

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Jul 28, 2004
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So as we’ve had a bit of a break from Spurs and a chance to reflect on Jose’s short tenure so far what is the current feeling about if he will be a success or not?
my view is that things could go one of two ways but unfortunately the longer I’ve thought about it the more I can only seeing it ending badly but below are my balanced points/ view:
Positives
  • We have a fully fit squad which is quite strong when all fit
  • He‘s a good motivator and tactician
  • He’s very experienced and is a ‘winner’
  • Knows the PL well and has a point to prove
  • Lots of players have come out and said very positive things about Jose’s time in charge so far
  • His press conferences are box office and having him as our manager has raised our level of attention across europe and possibly globally
Negatives
  • With no back-up to Kane we are walking a tightrope and any manager would struggle with just one striker on the books
  • Reduced funds due to Covid so possibly little room to improve the squad?
  • His critical man management doesn’t always suit the new type of player
  • Negative style will frustrate fans especially if/when results don’t go our way (this is n.o1 point for me, if we can play a half decent more possession based positive style against ‘lesser‘ opposition and use a more ‘negative’ approach in more important matches if that’s what Jose thinks can get us a title/trophy then I can Mabye stomach that but what worries me is that we played very negatively against the likes of Norwich, Southampton and others and the home game to Man City sure we won 2-0 but they had about 20 shots and we had 2/3 yes you Could say it’s effective tactics but the chances they missed I’d say it was just lucky and for me it’s painfully dull watching such anti-possession park the bus football and it’s very much not spurs. If the results aren’t very impressive I think the fans will turn very quickly and quite possibly the players too.

    So for me it’s quite simple, the club need to help him improve the squad in summer funds or no funds, swaps, loans whatever it takes, (back-up striker, RB,LB, possibly CM & AM), BUT I think Jose’s style of play will be his undoing unfortunately, I hope I’m wrong, I like him as a character and think he still does have a good amount to offer I just don’t think he’s a good fit for our club.
Thoughts?
One thing that really stuck to me during lockdown is when I watched a ‘la liga el Classico game‘ from the Jose Real Madrid era.

Madrid were at home to Barcelona and he’s that Barca team was amazing but Jose’s team included :
C.Ronaldo, Di Maria, peak Ozil, Marcelo, Benzema, peak Adeneyor, Alonso those players are more than cape able of playing some attractive positive football but what did he do? He puts Pepe in CM and parks the bus, the mighty great Real Madrid with all that attacking talent at HOME and he parks the fucking bus, it was the worst most horrible game of football if you were a Madrid fan they just sat back and then when they did get the ball they were so deep and got pressed so just lost it straight away and suprise surprise Barca eventually broken them down and won, it was inevitable. And that for me was the turning point for Jose, his tactics just don’t consistently work against the peps and klopps etc and he and his teams have never been the same since. Yes he still has something to offer but for me he’s just not the right fit for spurs. But hey I hope it works out and I’ll be glad to see football back but if we play like we did home to Chelsea and Norwich and Southampton then tbh I won’t be overly glad it’s back as the football we served up for me was up there with Santini as the most hard to watch since Ive been a spurs fan.
You know that calling your point of view balanced doesn’t make it true right?
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Nov 15, 2018
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The year before he tried to play offensively against Barca and got hammered 5-0. So he changed his tactics against them to be more defensive and actually won the league that year.
Oh really I didn’t actually know that, that’s fair enough then mate.

I suppose it still doesn’t change the fact he set us up defensively against Norwich and Southampton and Chelsea etc and we struggled Badly in those games, we also got extremely lucky against man.city.

I’m all for giving him time just not sure his style is for spurs but hope
I’m wrong.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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You talking about the season his Real Madrid team won the league ??
I didn’t think that was this season this was the one after? But to be fair I wasn’t aware they lost 5-0 to them and he changed his tactics the next time he played them but still lost.

Either way it still doesn’t change the fact he set us up defensively against Norwich and Southampton and Chelsea and Leipzig etc and we struggled Badly in All those games And others, we also got extremely lucky against man.city. Now some of that might be due to injuries and players available but against Chelsea at home we had a full squad and it was embarrassing the lack of ambition we showed.

I’m all for giving him time just not sure his style is for spurs but hope I’m wrong.
 

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For me one of the interesting things is the bond he has forged with a lot of the players. The likes of Toby, Hugo, Lucas all have incredibly positive things to say about him.
Yea this does seem like a big positive especially someone like Lucas. I loved Poch but it did seem surprising that Lucas has come out and said he’s not had this current level of support and belief in him That Jose is giving since he’s played in Europe. Lucas is clearly a confidence player, he’s a very emotional man as was Poch so I’m surprised Poch didn’t man manage him more effectively, he played him out of position not consistently and then dropped him in the CL final after the hat trick so as much as we all loved poch he didn’t always get everything right.

I do think Jose’s man management If players is pretty good especially his motivation, before he gets to the stage of 3rd season meltdown and criticise everyone he does seem to build very powerful bond with squads and players.
 

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Oh and his Madrid team got over 100 points at that time a record and scored 121 goals boring eh that would be a tough watch ! The haters need to get off his back and get off that media agenda band wagon ?
You say that and it’s a very valid point however you can still score a lot of goals but play in a more negative manner. The main reason being his teams have little of the ball so whilst they might score a lot on the counter attack which for a few seconds is very exciting for most the games you’re watching the opposition pass the ball around and waiting for them to make mistakes which for me isn’t that entertaining.

Do you think the way we’ve played under him so far has been exciting and are you happy with the style of play? Yes we scored some goals early on but we also had a good number of games where in my opinion we set up far far too negatively against weaker inferior opposition. I know the football was poor under Poch at the end but again personally I prefer when we keep more of the ball, just not a big fan of this sit deep anti possession counter attack style especially at home or against inferior opposition.

But I did also say this could’ve been due to players available and in games other than the Chelsea one he didn’t have a target man so mabye thought playing with pace on the break was the best way to play.

let’s see how things go when we restart.
if he can get us playing more like his Chelsea sides did then great I just feel like at man.u etc he’s slowly become a more negative style of manager whereas before he was pragmatic when needed but not as often.
 

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You say that and it’s a very valid point however you can still score a lot of goals but play in a more negative manner. The main reason being his teams have little of the ball so whilst they might score a lot on the counter attack which for a few seconds is very exciting for most the games you’re watching the opposition pass the ball around and make mistakes which for me isn’t that entertaining.

do you think the way we’ve played under him so far has been exciting ? Yes we scored some goals early on but we also had a good number of games where in my opinion we set up far far too negatively against weaker inferior opposition.
Exciting isn't a definable emotion though. For instance, if he grinds out a series of wins and draws that have us challenging for the league again next season, that'll be exciting. Moments in a game can be exciting, like Ginola in the 90s, but getting rinsed isn't exciting.

Objectively, Liverpool were less attaching this season and less fluent, but more consistent. And they've only lost once in the league.

Let's face it, winning or losing when you're in mid table it's all grim, and you're there because you're losing too much.
 
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