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wrd

wrd

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adamsky said:
Everyone is saying the transfer windows where didn’t buy players is the reason for our current state. I think the problem has been our recruitment. Who have we brought since Son that has been an unqualified success? Apart from Lo Celso it seems we haven’t brought anyone who the fans want in the first team. The jury is definitely still out on Ndombele and Sess and the chances are the players we do sign this summer won’t all be great buys. This summer is absolutely huge and Mourinho, whose United purchases were suspect, needs to have an almost 100% success rate for us to compete again next year.
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I think fans were very happy with the Ndombele signing and also the Sanchez, Sessegnon and to an extent Moura signings (though some felt he was the club taking the cheaper option at the time). Can't criticise the owners if signings don't work out, it's on the managers and this time it's even more difficult because for example you have Ndombele who is a poch signing playing for a different manager, Ndombele was the one shining light during the end of Poch's reign with what we were seeing at the time and now he's not looking as good.

The manager needs to be back regardless of whether his track record is suspect because he's the horse we have bet on. If he convinces the board to sign him players which don't work out then that is his fault and not the boards because on that front they did their bit. Though they'll ultimately be responsible if backing him doesn't work out because they made the decision to change our direction especially going for a manager with different principles, the same way as they'll be responsible for us achieving success if it does work out.
 
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cliff jones

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JUSTINSIGNAL said:
Threads like this make me laugh. No way we're gonna ship our 6/7 players and sign 6/7 players in one window. It's just not how we operate. Nor should we - turning around that many players in such a short amount of time will only bring more disharmony as they will all need to time to settle and intergrate.
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especially when they’re signed in August
 
VegasII

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If we signed Robocop he’d end up with rust.

If we picked up the Terminator he’d end up with a virus.

If Predator found his way into our squad he’d end up uglier than he is.

Even Ming’s beard would fall out.

Perma-Crockem Hotspur
 
HedgieSpur

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JUSTINSIGNAL said:
Threads like this make me laugh. No way we're gonna ship our 6/7 players and sign 6/7 players in one window. It's just not how we operate. Nor should we - turning around that many players in such a short amount of time will only bring more disharmony as they will all need to time to settle and intergrate.
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I view this thread being about what we SHOULD do, rather than what we WILL do.
 
Nebby

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Buy two full backs, two centre backs, two central midfielders and another striker.

Move out Aurier, KWP, CCV, Jan, Davies, Lamela, Rose, Lucas, Vorm, Fernandes. Maybe shift Toby and Sissoko if a decent offer is received.

Do something with Foyth and Clarke.
 
Meercat

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I suspect it begins by cashing in on prized assets to finance the painful rebuild, a little like it’s been as long as I’ve been a fan, whether it’s Archibald moving on, Gazza, Waddle, Sherringham, Bale... right now there’s no real getting away from the fact we refinanced the stadium at 2.66% and today the Bank of England cut the base rate to 0.25% so the 600m+ refinancing just became a millstone and doesn’t free up cash for the playing side. And given the fact we have two major economic banana peels to negotiate back to back with Brexit and Covid-19 who knows the long term ramifications? Recession? Depression? So, with the still hyper inflated market how else do you finance a 200-250m rebuild?

I may just be feeling a bit down after a fair battering of a season, but I don’t see us doing it any differently, and every time I see talk of us needing six or seven I’m just reminded of Bale...

There’s your cheery post for the afternoon :)
 
NickHSpurs

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First XI

GK: Lloris
RB: NEW
CB: NEW
CB: Alderweireld
LB: NEW

DMC: NEW
AMC: Lo Celso

AML: Son
AMC: Dele
AMR: Bergwijn

ST: Kane

I think we need a minimum of four players for our first team, three of them at the back and someone in front to protect them.

Squad Players:

GK: Gazzaniga & NEW
LB: Davies
RB: Aurier
CB's: Sanchez, Foyth, Dier & Tanganga
CM's: Winks, Ndombele, Gedson & Skipp
AM's: Lucas, Sessegnon & NEW
ST: NEW

I think many of our current players are good enough to be squad players and replacing their PL experience would be expensive.

Sell:

Lamela, Sissoko, Rose & Walker-Peters, plus Vertonghen on a free.
 
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HedgieSpur

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Ill slightly modify what I posted on a different thread:

SELL Aurier (Walking mistake); MOVE Tanganga to RB or try Foyth there
SELL Davies (a plodder without the requisite quality or dynamism); BUY Hernandez
SELL Skipp (Great attitude, not enough quality); BUY Zakaria/Soumare
SELL Vertonghen (Bless him, but he's no longer good enough) BUY Dias/Kabasele
SELL Dier (Way too slow and cumbersome for a top side) BUY Issa Diop
SELL Moura (As I said previously, great attitude but has the IQ of a sea urchin); BUY Osimhen
SELL Sissoko (Great at a couple of things, not very good on the ball); BUY Doucore

Sell the likes of KWP, CCV. Id keep Winks as a back up and Alli would not be a starter in my team.
 
thebenjamin

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the yid said:
We haven't got to sign every player for £50m give Norwich £80m for Godrey Aarons and Lewis and that's the defence sorted for the foreseeable future. Then pick up a DM and a ST and we're good to go. About £150m outlay.
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You'd pay £80M, which realistically is more than our entire summer budget will be, for 2 very young full backs from a bottom of the table side, and consider the defence sorted?
 
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cliff jones

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NickHSpurs said:
First XI

GK: Lloris
RB: NEW
CB: NEW
CB: Alderweireld
LB: NEW

DMC: NEW
AMC: Lo Celso

AML: Son
AMC: Dele
AMR: Bergwijn

ST: Kane

I think we need a minimum of four players for our first team, three of them at the back and someone in front to protect them.

Squad Players:

GK: Gazzaniga & NEW
LB: Davies
RB: Aurier
CB's: Sanchez, Foyth, Dier & Tanganga
CM's: Winks, Ndombele, Gedson & Skipp
AM's: Lucas, Sessegnon & NEW
ST: NEW

I think many of our current players are good enough to be squad players and replacing their PL experience would be expensive.

Sell:

Lamela, Sissoko, Rose & Walker-Peters, plus Vertonghen on a free.
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excellent post mate. I’d keep Sissoko though- versatile. And be prepared to sell a couple of those squad players you list, if good offers come in.

We won’t be four comps next year, so won’t need a bloated squad.
 
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EastLondonYid

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The re-build is a hard subject to discuss seeing we don't really know what our owners really want.

For whatever reasons they have let us slip from the envy of the PL to needing a total re-build in the space of 12-15 months.

Its hard to know whats going through their minds when they went into the 2nd half of this season with NO striker knowing Harry would be out, whilst we were still in 2 cups and fighting for 4th.

DL has transformed us off the field and for most of the Poch years on it too, but unfortunately has fallen at the final hurdle again and we find ourselves needing a major re-build, one which i find hard to believe he will back seeing as he didn't when we just needed tweeking to win the major prizes which we were so close to winning.

It pains me to see us atm, teams we used to roll over taking the piss in our own brand new stadium.

Re-build?......it should never have come to this...shame on our owners for giving us hope and now this.
 
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Spursmatty87

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A lot of hate for Dier but for me he looks like he’s getting back to some form. See him more as cb now but I’d keep him.

People saying replacing Lloris isn’t a priory, but I’d ague that you need to get the spine of the team right before anything else and he just isn’t up to it.

Lamela, Lucas could be upgraded as could aurier. If Ndombele isn’t up for it then I’d sell him and get a dm in.

A back up fw is must. But it is for a lot of teams.
 
double0

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My mind changes by the hour.

We need full backs LCB striker DM Left foot wing forward.

and Jack Grealish. Lloris as well makes far to many questionable mistakes great keeper but wow.
 
PLTuck

PLTuck

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I'm not sure a wholesale change of players in a single window will make much of a difference, at least in the short term to medium term. Look what happened the last 2 times we went on transfer sprees.

First started under Arneson as DoF where we signed a staggering number of young players. It worked. It set the foundations for the next 10 years. It didn't happen overnight though, it was over 4 or 5 windows.

Second was with the Bale money. 7 players in, of whom one has been decent when fit, and one who was very successful for us over the next few years.
 
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