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Jose Mourinho

How do you feel about Mourinho appointment

  • Excited - silverware here we come baby

    Votes: 666 46.7%
  • Meh - will give him a chance and hope he is successful

    Votes: 468 32.8%
  • Horrified - praying for the day he'll fuck off

    Votes: 292 20.5%

  • Total voters
    1,426

GutBucket

Well-Known Member
May 26, 2013
6,808
11,492
All teams suddenly start to play better when they get a world class striker, we won't really know until next season when our team is hopefully healthy again. This season is lost and complete shit, best case Skipp and Tanganga get some experience for next season, not much else to do. I am only concerned about defense, I expected Mourinho to do a lot better in that department (even though he doesn't have too much to work with), I think Rui Faria had great impact in his teams defensively and he is missing it currently. To play pretty football you need quick fullbacks and a good nr. 10 or a striker (ideally both), currently we don't have plenty of those. All good defensive teams have good DMs and CBs and we are lacking in that department too. We are kind of fucked, no way we can bring that many players to seriously compete unless some academy kids step up and become good.
 

shelfboy68

Well-Known Member
Jun 14, 2008
14,566
19,651
I didn't ask about Barca or Real. I was talking about City - a team that have, as far as FFP is concerned cheated.

You are switching your point to distract from the failings of your argument.

We are not trying to win the tin pot. Nobody is, not even City. It's the league and the Champs that matter.

City won it while being guilty of financial doping.

The anti-Levy argument is basically "why can't we just cheat like City". Well, you see what happens, that's why.
Hang on at the start I listed a few teams who due to the ambitious nature of their owners win things, it was you who took city out and named them to suit your argument.
Do you really think teams like city are going to get punished much the competition sponsors want the biggest and best teams in it.
A few years back Madrid found a way round it by getting a loan of the government to circumnavigate around the rules city will find a way around I'm sure.
It's like you earning more money than me for example and going out to buy the best clothing, car or watch so what good luck to those who can, if you think by taking this stance on money that levy is going ride out into the yonder as saviour of football your being naive at best.
 

Chirpystheman

Well-Known Member
Jan 22, 2019
501
1,610
How many of his first choice players was Klopp missing?

No clue. But as pointed out theychad 5 strikers and a squad overloaded with players. Of which only a few remain. It took klopp 3 years and spending over 350m on first team players. Give Jose 350m over next 3/4 windows and see what he can produce. You might even be surprised. They spent over 250m on a keeper CB and 3 central midfielders. Totally changing the spine of the side and pushing other players like henderson to new levels. Also had a bit of luck with the fullbacks. Robertson and Arnold prob in top 5 fullbacks in world football
 

Danny1

Well-Known Member
Dec 6, 2006
5,622
17,171


Meanwhile, our own manager setting up with 5 centre-backs against Burnley, conceding after 13 minutes while sitting back, is trying to lay blame on a player playing his first season riddled with injuries in a new league, playing alongside a academy graduate that started his first game of the season.

Let's not even discuss how absolutely rudderless we looked (and have looked for most of his games in charge) besides the Ndombele 'issue'.


Oh dear Seppo, this is a bit of a egg on face moment. Under Mourinho, we beat Man City, playing the same type of football.............
 

brasil_spur

SC Supporter
Aug 25, 2006
12,670
16,715
All teams suddenly start to play better when they get a world class striker, we won't really know until next season when our team is hopefully healthy again. This season is lost and complete shit, best case Skipp and Tanganga get some experience for next season, not much else to do. I am only concerned about defense, I expected Mourinho to do a lot better in that department (even though he doesn't have too much to work with), I think Rui Faria had great impact in his teams defensively and he is missing it currently. To play pretty football you need quick fullbacks and a good nr. 10 or a striker (ideally both), currently we don't have plenty of those. All good defensive teams have good DMs and CBs and we are lacking in that department too. We are kind of fucked, no way we can bring that many players to seriously compete unless some academy kids step up and become good.

Hopefully this is where our scouting comes into effect, also hopefully we will change our policy a bit on the types of player that we can buy and look at some slightly older players in the market to bring some stability and wisdom to our back 4.

At the moment Tangana, Davies and Toby all look like decent enough rotation/squad players. I think Sanchez could stay too and do job for us if we can get the defence more stable. Unfortunately for me that means new wing backs and a new CB.

Add in a DM and a ST and that's 5 players that could massively transform the team for next season. IMO that's realistic and do-able in the summer and would give us a match day squad of:

Lloris, Gazzaniga, New RB, New CB, Tangana, Toby, Davies, New LB, Lo Celso, New DM, Son, Bergwijn, Alli, Moura, Winks, New ST, Kane

That still leaves: Sessegnon, Skipp, Sanchez, Ndombele and Lamela/Fernandes as players who can come into the squad for above players when injured or being rested.

Sell: Dier, Aurier, Verts (release), Foyth, Rose, KWP.

For me the above is all very doable, just let Jose get in the players he wants for those positions.
 

Danny1

Well-Known Member
Dec 6, 2006
5,622
17,171
It's depressing that the "anti-Mourinho" brigade are infecting every single thread. A lot of shouty, its Mourinho's fault, posts like:

- Our defence is embarrassing - ignoring the fact it was just as bad, if not worse, under Pochettino.
- Our build up play is shocking - ignoring the fact that we have nobody upfront who can hold the ball up & release some pressure from our defence.
- Why do we only start playing better towards the end of games - this is the one that does my head in. The reason is we are playing teams that still regard us as a big team & a point is a great thing, so they retreat to try and maintain the result, hence we have more of the ball, hence we start to attack better as our front players no longer need to hold the ball up.
- We never look like scoring under Mourinho - well ok.......think about it, we have Alli who scores every now & then, Lucas who hardly ever scores & Bergwijn who has just joined the league, that's it.
- Mourinho out - these posts, or similar ones, are the worst. He has been here 3 months, without incredibly important players.

I genuinely believe there should be a "I don't like Mourinho" thread for those people to go in & write it over & over & over so that they feel better. He isn't going anywhere, it's that simple.

I've also seen calls for us to ditch him & bring in the new brand of manager like Brendan Rodgers, however these people have gone fairly quiet considering they have 1 win in 7 games and are playing terrible football. Reason being........Vardy & Ndidi are missing. So it just goes to show that not having your best players, in very important positions, affects a football team! WHO KNEW!
 

Everlasting Seconds

Well-Known Member
Jan 9, 2014
14,914
26,616
It's depressing that the "anti-Mourinho" brigade are infecting every single thread. A lot of shouty, its Mourinho's fault, posts like:

- Our defence is embarrassing - ignoring the fact it was just as bad, if not worse, under Pochettino.
- Our build up play is shocking - ignoring the fact that we have nobody upfront who can hold the ball up & release some pressure from our defence.
- Why do we only start playing better towards the end of games - this is the one that does my head in. The reason is we are playing teams that still regard us as a big team & a point is a great thing, so they retreat to try and maintain the result, hence we have more of the ball, hence we start to attack better as our front players no longer need to hold the ball up.
- We never look like scoring under Mourinho - well ok.......think about it, we have Alli who scores every now & then, Lucas who hardly ever scores & Bergwijn who has just joined the league, that's it.
- Mourinho out - these posts, or similar ones, are the worst. He has been here 3 months, without incredibly important players.

I genuinely believe there should be a "I don't like Mourinho" thread for those people to go in & write it over & over & over so that they feel better. He isn't going anywhere, it's that simple.

I've also seen calls for us to ditch him & bring in the new brand of manager like Brendan Rodgers, however these people have gone fairly quiet considering they have 1 win in 7 games and are playing terrible football. Reason being........Vardy & Ndidi are missing. So it just goes to show that not having your best players, in very important positions, affects a football team! WHO KNEW!
I agree. You can't just say "the injured players are strikers but we are conceding so clearly it's not the injuries but the manager fucking us over".
It's the most unintelligent counter-Mourinho statements I read. To lose your one world star and also the deputy attacking icon, and think the team as a unit is not affected.
 

shelfboy68

Well-Known Member
Jun 14, 2008
14,566
19,651
It's depressing that the "anti-Mourinho" brigade are infecting every single thread. A lot of shouty, its Mourinho's fault, posts like:

- Our defence is embarrassing - ignoring the fact it was just as bad, if not worse, under Pochettino.
- Our build up play is shocking - ignoring the fact that we have nobody upfront who can hold the ball up & release some pressure from our defence.
- Why do we only start playing better towards the end of games - this is the one that does my head in. The reason is we are playing teams that still regard us as a big team & a point is a great thing, so they retreat to try and maintain the result, hence we have more of the ball, hence we start to attack better as our front players no longer need to hold the ball up.
- We never look like scoring under Mourinho - well ok.......think about it, we have Alli who scores every now & then, Lucas who hardly ever scores & Bergwijn who has just joined the league, that's it.
- Mourinho out - these posts, or similar ones, are the worst. He has been here 3 months, without incredibly important players.

I genuinely believe there should be a "I don't like Mourinho" thread for those people to go in & write it over & over & over so that they feel better. He isn't going anywhere, it's that simple.

I've also seen calls for us to ditch him & bring in the new brand of manager like Brendan Rodgers, however these people have gone fairly quiet considering they have 1 win in 7 games and are playing terrible football. Reason being........Vardy & Ndidi are missing. So it just goes to show that not having your best players, in very important positions, affects a football team! WHO KNEW!
Capital letters at the end mate look who is shouting now:joyful:
 

Lighty64

I believe
Aug 24, 2010
10,400
12,476
Those clubs will continue to win things before or after FFP mate city have just won another trophy last weekend, your living in Dreamland if you think this club is geared up for a period of success.
Read what Mr chairman says and it's all there he believes that there is nothing to suggest that investing heavily brings no success, and that the club will continue its path to er success but the funds will be limited as no European football next year.

yes because bar City & Chelsea those other clubs have always been massive clubs and dominated their leagues. they have always been able to pay top dollar for players with paying wages, and haven't spent 1b on a stadium in the last 30 years compared to just 10. for most of those 30 years we weren't even in Europe and played 28 years in a stadium of 36k.

City and Chelsea both have spent 1.8b and City have spent that in 5 years less, they have had a 50k+ stadium for 12years and are owned by a friggin country, quite a difference and have been able to build a massive squad on massive wages, with possible illegal sponsors.

please tell me how we could have spent that kind of money, met FFP every season and paying over double our now salaries when in a small stadium?

if you can give me an answer other than them spending a billion in their 1st 7 years of their own money to build what both Chelsea and City have, because we could have never earnt it on gates and merchandise income to meet the FFP at the old WHL, and met FFP once it kicked in without having to sell the whole squad and play our youth in the PL, and then get a finance deal with being near on 2b in debt, I will become an anti enic like you and will sit outside Spurs with a banner.

don't come back with the 8th richest club crap either because we have only got in the top 10 the last 2 seasons
 

shelfboy68

Well-Known Member
Jun 14, 2008
14,566
19,651
yes because bar City & Chelsea those other clubs have always been massive clubs and dominated their leagues. they have always been able to pay top dollar for players with paying wages, and haven't spent 1b on a stadium in the last 30 years compared to just 10. for most of those 30 years we weren't even in Europe and played 28 years in a stadium of 36k.

City and Chelsea both have spent 1.8b and City have spent that in 5 years less, they have had a 50k+ stadium for 12years and are owned by a friggin country, quite a difference and have been able to build a massive squad on massive wages, with possible illegal sponsors.

please tell me how we could have spent that kind of money, met FFP every season and paying over double our now salaries when in a small stadium?

if you can give me an answer other than them spending a billion in their 1st 7 years of their own money to build what both Chelsea and City have, because we could have never earnt it on gates and merchandise income to meet the FFP at the old WHL, and met FFP once it kicked in without having to sell the whole squad and play our youth in the PL, and then get a finance deal with being near on 2b in debt, I will become an anti enic like you and will sit outside Spurs with a banner.

don't come back with the 8th richest club crap either because we have only got in the top 10 the last 2 seasons
Anti levy banner really lighty
:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 

rez9000

Any point?
Feb 8, 2007
11,942
21,098
I've said it 3 or four times. Our beloved spurs were boo'd off the pitch in Nov of 2014 after 4 home losses out of 5, 4 months in to Pochs reign.

No one is saying we will improve or reach the Poch level of footie. But maybe, just maybe 4 months is too soon for everyone to be crying into their cereal.

I cry into my soup... but that's because I hate soup.
 

JakeCOYS

Ndombele Enthusiast
Jul 2, 2019
18
104
It's depressing that the "anti-Mourinho" brigade are infecting every single thread. A lot of shouty, its Mourinho's fault, posts like:

- Our defence is embarrassing - ignoring the fact it was just as bad, if not worse, under Pochettino.
- Our build up play is shocking - ignoring the fact that we have nobody upfront who can hold the ball up & release some pressure from our defence.
- Why do we only start playing better towards the end of games - this is the one that does my head in. The reason is we are playing teams that still regard us as a big team & a point is a great thing, so they retreat to try and maintain the result, hence we have more of the ball, hence we start to attack better as our front players no longer need to hold the ball up.
- We never look like scoring under Mourinho - well ok.......think about it, we have Alli who scores every now & then, Lucas who hardly ever scores & Bergwijn who has just joined the league, that's it.
- Mourinho out - these posts, or similar ones, are the worst. He has been here 3 months, without incredibly important players.

I genuinely believe there should be a "I don't like Mourinho" thread for those people to go in & write it over & over & over so that they feel better. He isn't going anywhere, it's that simple.

I've also seen calls for us to ditch him & bring in the new brand of manager like Brendan Rodgers, however these people have gone fairly quiet considering they have 1 win in 7 games and are playing terrible football. Reason being........Vardy & Ndidi are missing. So it just goes to show that not having your best players, in very important positions, affects a football team! WHO KNEW!


Do we need a hold up player? Aguero is smaller than Bergwign and Dele and they seem to build up just fine...
 

rez9000

Any point?
Feb 8, 2007
11,942
21,098
I said that the tactical problem under Pochettino for the last year was that he built a side on the basis of a rock solid back four and keeper that could defend aggressively (e.g higher up the pitch). All of the fluid attacking play depended on that solid base.

Over the years that back four became less aggressive with Walker leaving, Rose losing form and getting injured and both Alderweireld and Vertonghen losing a yard of pace. Lloris as well dipped form, has been less likely to play the sweeper role and then got badly injured. We just simply do not have a top 4 defence and haven't for two seasons.

We're still trying to play the same way though and it doesn't work and won't work. We should have accepted that we're not going to be solid defensively and instead played to our strengths. Lots of very creative midfielders who can score goals and a world class front man. Set up to play aggressive, creative football and accept we're going to concede a few. Gamble on us being able to outscore pretty much everyone except the top 2 or 3 clubs and get enough points to hold a Champions League spot. Maybe win a cup in the process. Then complete the badly needed rebuild over the summer with an actual plan.

Instead of taking that gamble and going for it all guns blazing we're dying a death of a thousand cuts. The reason Mourinho had a patch of success early doors is that he directed us to be more direct and get the ball up there rather than faffing about. We were more aggressive and it paid off, at least for a while. It didn't carry on because it was only the very most basic of attacking strategies and it needed developing a lot further.
And do you not believe that the loss to injury of the targets of those balls being got 'up there' has played a part? And if you don't have those targets, how can it be an effective approach?

It'd be like if I were the best darts player in the world, but I didn't have hands. I'm not going to win many darts matches, am I?

(I could throw with my feet, I suppose...)
 

CheeseGromit

Well-Known Member
Aug 22, 2013
745
578
It's depressing that the "anti-Mourinho" brigade are infecting every single thread. A lot of shouty, its Mourinho's fault, posts like:

- Our defence is embarrassing - ignoring the fact it was just as bad, if not worse, under Pochettino.
- Our build up play is shocking - ignoring the fact that we have nobody upfront who can hold the ball up & release some pressure from our defence.
- Why do we only start playing better towards the end of games - this is the one that does my head in. The reason is we are playing teams that still regard us as a big team & a point is a great thing, so they retreat to try and maintain the result, hence we have more of the ball, hence we start to attack better as our front players no longer need to hold the ball up.
- We never look like scoring under Mourinho - well ok.......think about it, we have Alli who scores every now & then, Lucas who hardly ever scores & Bergwijn who has just joined the league, that's it.
- Mourinho out - these posts, or similar ones, are the worst. He has been here 3 months, without incredibly important players.

I genuinely believe there should be a "I don't like Mourinho" thread for those people to go in & write it over & over & over so that they feel better. He isn't going anywhere, it's that simple.

I've also seen calls for us to ditch him & bring in the new brand of manager like Brendan Rodgers, however these people have gone fairly quiet considering they have 1 win in 7 games and are playing terrible football. Reason being........Vardy & Ndidi are missing. So it just goes to show that not having your best players, in very important positions, affects a football team! WHO KNEW!
The additional problem being experienced at the present time is that the opposition know we dont have an out and out striker and know how we are going to play
The start on the front foot, can take extra risks and know conversely we are on the back foot and cannot afford to concede.

So its not only that the way we will have to play is well known the mental side of the game is also in opponents favour
 

Lighty64

I believe
Aug 24, 2010
10,400
12,476
Those clubs will continue to win things before or after FFP mate city have just won another trophy last weekend, your living in Dreamland if you think this club is geared up for a period of success.
Read what Mr chairman says and it's all there he believes that there is nothing to suggest that investing heavily brings no success, and that the club will continue its path to er success but the funds will be limited as no European football next year.

sorry I never answered all your reply. if it was a case of investing heavily brings success we would have been relegated by now because until last summer every club has spent more than us. the only thing that has guaranteed success for all those clubs you mentioned was spending RIDICULOUS amounts of money.

I agree the summer we never spent anything has knocked us, and set us back, but there is nothing that guarantees anything just spending that extra 10-50m might have helped, but we never had the 100-200m + the excessive wages that those teams spent to get it, or the bottle on the days when in a position to do it
 

rez9000

Any point?
Feb 8, 2007
11,942
21,098
It's depressing that the "anti-Mourinho" brigade are infecting every single thread. A lot of shouty, its Mourinho's fault, posts like:

- Our defence is embarrassing - ignoring the fact it was just as bad, if not worse, under Pochettino.
- Our build up play is shocking - ignoring the fact that we have nobody upfront who can hold the ball up & release some pressure from our defence.
- Why do we only start playing better towards the end of games - this is the one that does my head in. The reason is we are playing teams that still regard us as a big team & a point is a great thing, so they retreat to try and maintain the result, hence we have more of the ball, hence we start to attack better as our front players no longer need to hold the ball up.
- We never look like scoring under Mourinho - well ok.......think about it, we have Alli who scores every now & then, Lucas who hardly ever scores & Bergwijn who has just joined the league, that's it.
- Mourinho out - these posts, or similar ones, are the worst. He has been here 3 months, without incredibly important players.

I genuinely believe there should be a "I don't like Mourinho" thread for those people to go in & write it over & over & over so that they feel better. He isn't going anywhere, it's that simple.

I've also seen calls for us to ditch him & bring in the new brand of manager like Brendan Rodgers, however these people have gone fairly quiet considering they have 1 win in 7 games and are playing terrible football. Reason being........Vardy & Ndidi are missing. So it just goes to show that not having your best players, in very important positions, affects a football team! WHO KNEW!
You now need to drop your keyboard, Danny.

Actually, don't cause it may cause damage, but you get the point.
 
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