Jose Mourinho

rez9000 · Mar 8, 2020

Univarn said:
*Couple of people disagree with Mourinho's decisions*

"OMG Why are you all literally throwing him out he deserves a summer and preseason! I cannot believe you plastic fans... Back the manager and the club!"

*Couple of people disagree with Ndombele's commitment in a match*

"OMG Why are you all literally throwing him out he deserves a summer and preseason! I cannot believe you plastic fans... Back the players and the club!"

I thought watching Spurs today was the only thing that would make my eyes bleed but this forum this afternoon... Good God.

Commitment isn't difficult to demonstrate. When you're paid to work hard and you visibly don't - to such a degree that a video of you not tracking your man goes viral and stimulates a fucking FourFourTwo article questioning whether you have the application to make it as a professional footballer, it's a lot easier to criticise than it is when one can't put together a fully informed analysis of what precisely the management staff is having to deal with and the possible ramifications of it.

Hopefully that will help with the eye healing.

bat-chain · Mar 8, 2020

jay2040 said:
He was a talented player in France! Jose may have had his best days behind him however he has won stuff in the Premiership.

Also not sure what your comment means as it infers as you are comparing a manager with a player!

Not at a club without an endless pot of cash he hasn’t. He's also never built anything sustainable anywhere he's been.

It was in response to someone earlier suggesting it was funny people say 'give N'Dombele time' but won’t do the same for Mourinho. I was just pointing out, a player at the start of their career has potential they could reach. Same with a young manager they could get better, not an old manager or an old player.

Shadydan · Mar 8, 2020

rez9000 said:
Isn't it ironic that there seems to be a correlation between people willing to give Ndombele time and those not willing to give Mourinho time?

Where are the posts about Ndombele earning £10.4 million a year?

Where are the posts with words like, 'Lille. Slag. Out''?

His job is to turn up to training, work hard and assist the team. That's it. And yet he's been here 7-8 months, shown very little endeavour on the pitch, but he deserves time. Mourinho has shown he works hard all throughout his career, has only been here 4 months, but he should be sacked.

OK.

Honestly it's such a load of fucking nonsense, people literally couldn't wait to use this as a stick to beat him with, when you actually look at it he hasn't said anything scathing towards him, just a public call out to buck his ideas up.

This site is so weird, there's tonnes of posts in the Ndombele thread with people making jokes about his weight and calling him fat etc and people losing their shit at him not pulling his finger out...yet when our manager publicly criticises him and rightfully all the snowflakes jump on the defensive, ohh he's going to knock his confidence blah blah...the fuck are you actually on about?!

As far as I'm concerned he's well within his rights to call him out as he should have called him out against Wolves YET he gave him the benefit of the doubt and held his tounge and laughed it off.

People would happily accept a general level of unprofessionalism from a player just to vindicate their opinion on a manger they don't like, it's actually hilarious.

rez9000 · Mar 8, 2020

Shadydan said:
Honestly it's such a load of fucking nonsense, people literally couldn't wait to use this as a stick to beat him with, when you actually look at it he hasn't said anything scathing towards him, just a public call out to buck his ideas up.

This site is so weird, there's tonnes of posts in the Ndombele thread with people making jokes about his weight and calling him fat etc and people losing their shit at him not pulling his finger out...yet when our manager publicly criticises him and rightfully all the snowflakes jump on the defensive, ohh he's going to knock his confidence blah blah...the fuck are you actually on about?!

As far as I'm concerned he's well within his rights to call him out as he should have called him out against Wolves YET he gave him the benefit of the doubt and held his tounge and laughed it off.

People would happily accept a general level of unprofessionalism from a player just to vindicate their opinion on a manger they don't like, it's actually hilarious.

One of the highest profile football magazines in the country has shone a light on Ndombele's possible problems stimulated by a video going viral showing a lack of commitment. Speculation it may well be, but the fact that Ndombele is the subject of that speculation is a worrying development.

rez9000 · Mar 8, 2020

bat-chain said:
Not at a club without an endless pot of cash he hasn’t. He's also never built anything sustainable anywhere he's been.

It was in response to someone earlier suggesting it was funny people say 'give N'Dombele time' but won’t do the same for Mourinho. I was just pointing out, a player at the start of their career has potential they could reach. Same with a young manager they could get better, not an old manager or an old player.

Old managers like Ranieri (PL winner at 64)? Or Wenger (won the FA Cup at the age of 68)? Or Ferguson (won the PL at the age of 64)? Old players like Ryan Giggs who got a Premier League winner's medal at the age of 40 and won the Players' Player of the Year in 2009 aged 36? Old players like Ronaldo who recently played his 1,000th game aged 35? Or our very own Teddy Sheringham, who played his last professional game aged 42 and was still a registered player at the age of 49?

Do please tell me more about old managers and players...

JayB · Mar 8, 2020

Seen a lot of posts slagging off Jose on the basis that he played 5 CBs, which totally ignores the injuries we're facing and the fact that yesterday's team was selected with a view to the Champions League on Tuesday. If Davies and Aurier had played rather than Jan and Tanganga it wouldn't have made any tactical difference, but Davies has evidently done his hamstring and Aurier was rested. For all intents and purposes it was a back three with wingbacks, not a Pulis-esque five CB setup.

It's fair enough to question the back three setup but again I think he was trying to rest key players. Lucas has been run into the ground and the first-choice midfield pairing (Winks and GLC) were both rotated. Trying to rest that many key players resulted in one fewer midfielders/attackers than we would normally play with. It didn't work and Jose changed it at half time, which is as early as he could have done without completely humiliating the players who were hooked, although I suppose he could have pushed Dier up into midfield earlier than he did.

Regardless, it's amazing to me how negative the general attitude toward him seems to be. Even on its best day this squad is incredibly unbalanced. Add to that the fact that we've got injuries all over the park, including to our best players, and the manager is stuck working with scraps.

There's plenty reason to be wary of him given the state he's left clubs in in the past, the worry that his tactics may be outdated, the amount of times he's fallen out with big players, etc. I understand the concerns. But he's in a terrible situation at the moment, through no fault of our own, and I can't help but feel that supporters are unduly feeding into the negativity rather than backing the manager (and team) through an injury crisis during which there shouldn't be any reasonable expectation of playing scintillating football or picking up three points every week.

spids · Mar 8, 2020

I think Jose, for the first time here, gave the players a proper hairdryer at HT. Up until now it’s been a love in. Notable increase in effort 2nd half.

He must realise now that we have to play to win and not defend deep and hope for mistakes we can counter.

Put Son and Kane on the pitch 2nd half yesterday and we win that by 2 or 3 goals.

I’m happy to give him time as I’m expecting Levy to back him in the transfer market this summer and bring in a monster target man and a proper leader of a CB.

Joeyboey · Mar 8, 2020

Hercules said:
Some people just can’t resist digging out Jose, and normally the same posters. I would understand if this was next season. Regarding TN, you don’t know what rockets, and how many Jose has given privately, and as a group. A player who played under him for few seasons, said he always tells you he will always back you publicly, if he sees you will leave everything on the pitch, and fight for your friends. If he does not see that he for-warns you that if you fail to show, he will publicly let it be known.

And I think he has earned the right to manage the way he does with all the success he achieved over the past 20 years. Now if next season the same as now, then I will join the brigade knocking him. Time to support him, rather some very sad people who are meant to be fans of ‘our’ great club, wanting him sacked.

This sounds like absolute gospel. For example Dier has been very poor in a lot of games under Jose but no one could fault his effort or the fact that he wasn’t trying. The application just wasn’t there.

DanielJohnCosta · Mar 8, 2020

Hercules said:
Some people just can’t resist digging out Jose, and normally the same posters. I would understand if this was next season. Regarding TN, you don’t know what rockets, and how many Jose has given privately, and as a group. A player who played under him for few seasons, said he always tells you he will always back you publicly, if he sees you will leave everything on the pitch, and fight for your friends. If he does not see that he for-warns you that if you fail to show, he will publicly let it be known.

And I think he has earned the right to manage the way he does with all the success he achieved over the past 20 years. Now if next season the same as now, then I will join the brigade knocking him. Time to support him, rather some very sad people who are meant to be fans of ‘our’ great club, wanting him sacked.

sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't. Don't want ndombele to become another salah or de bruyne

Metalhead · Mar 8, 2020

bat-chain said:
Not at a club without an endless pot of cash he hasn’t. He's also never built anything sustainable anywhere he's been.

It was in response to someone earlier suggesting it was funny people say 'give N'Dombele time' but won’t do the same for Mourinho. I was just pointing out, a player at the start of their career has potential they could reach. Same with a young manager they could get better, not an old manager or an old player.

They're both going to get time whether people like it or not.

ralphs bald spot · Mar 8, 2020

DanielJohnCosta said:
sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't. Don't want ndombele to become another salah or de bruyne

I think if he could become one of them it might be rather good but at the moment he resembles Jansen without the effort

monkeynick · Mar 8, 2020

Are we allowed to post links to articles on here?
This is very similar to what I’d like to post if I had the inclination and any kind of grasp of English.

F365's early loser: Jose Mourinho's dreary miserabilism - Football365

Jose got a point and made his point. But is this really all Spurs can expect for £15m a year?

www.football365.com

spursfan77 · Mar 8, 2020

JayB said:
Seen a lot of posts slagging off Jose on the basis that he played 5 CBs, which totally ignores the injuries we're facing and the fact that yesterday's team was selected with a view to the Champions League on Tuesday. If Davies and Aurier had played rather than Jan and Tanganga it wouldn't have made any tactical difference, but Davies has evidently done his hamstring and Aurier was rested. For all intents and purposes it was a back three with wingbacks, not a Pulis-esque five CB setup.

It's fair enough to question the back three setup but again I think he was trying to rest key players. Lucas has been run into the ground and the first-choice midfield pairing (Winks and GLC) were both rotated. Trying to rest that many key players resulted in one fewer midfielders/attackers than we would normally play with. It didn't work and Jose changed it at half time, which is as early as he could have done without completely humiliating the players who were hooked, although I suppose he could have pushed Dier up into midfield earlier than he did.

Regardless, it's amazing to me how negative the general attitude toward him seems to be. Even on its best day this squad is incredibly unbalanced. Add to that the fact that we've got injuries all over the park, including to our best players, and the manager is stuck working with scraps.

There's plenty reason to be wary of him given the state he's left clubs in in the past, the worry that his tactics may be outdated, the amount of times he's fallen out with big players, etc. I understand the concerns. But he's in a terrible situation at the moment, through no fault of our own, and I can't help but feel that supporters are unduly feeding into the negativity rather than backing the manager (and team) through an injury crisis during which there shouldn't be any reasonable expectation of playing scintillating football or picking up three points every week.

Great post. I was going to post the same thing about the 5 centrebacks yesterday after the game but didn’t get round to it.

I actually think his team selection yesterday points to him really giving it a good go against Leipzig. If he’d of rested nobody then it would have suggested we weren’t that bothered about the tie.

I’d add that he has also been undone by pretty much a mistake a game by our players giving the opposition a goal (it happened with equal regularity under Poch). It doesn’t help the situation. Especially now with how things are going.

Deleted member 27995 · Mar 8, 2020

monkeynick said:
Are we allowed to post links to articles on here?
This is very similar to what I’d like to post if I had the inclination and any kind of grasp of English.

F365's early loser: Jose Mourinho's dreary miserabilism - Football365

Jose got a point and made his point. But is this really all Spurs can expect for £15m a year?

www.football365.com

You mean with an agenda and using words like 'throw under the bus' ??

Sure you can post it.

Dave Tickner probably appreciates it too.

Metalhead · Mar 8, 2020

monkeynick said:
Are we allowed to post links to articles on here?
This is very similar to what I’d like to post if I had the inclination and any kind of grasp of English.

F365's early loser: Jose Mourinho's dreary miserabilism - Football365

Jose got a point and made his point. But is this really all Spurs can expect for £15m a year?

www.football365.com

Are Spurs' problems all Mourinho's fault?

Tottenham's draw at Burnley leaves them four points off the Champions League places, but who is to blame for their problems?

www.bbc.co.uk

Archibald&Crooks · Mar 8, 2020

Seeing as the way over the top 'under the bus' bollocks is getting an airing I'll go OTT the other way.

This is actually an outstanding piece if management by Mourinho. Lets be honest, its refreshingly truthful, a touch brutal and largely designed to give him the kick up the arse he so obviously needs. We'll (hopefully) either see an improvement in the player and therefore a much needed return on our investment or we'll have saved ourselves several months of being 'nice' by pussyfooting around the issue and the player will be returned to sender at the first opportunity. Both parties can cut and run.

There you go, throw that under the bus

Metalhead · Mar 8, 2020

Vinny_Sammways_left_peg said:
You mean with an agenda and using words like 'throw under the bus' ??

Sure you can post it.

Dave Tickner probably appreciates it too.

Had a read - Tickner does seem to have an agenda that, dare I say it, was there well before Mourinho got the Spurs job.

Deleted member 27995 · Mar 8, 2020

Metalhead said:
Had a read - Tickner does seem to have an agenda that, dare I say it, was there well before Mourinho got the Spurs job.

Yeah, bit like the chap at the Guardian (United correspondent?)

Ah well.

Metalhead · Mar 8, 2020

Vinny_Sammways_left_peg said:
Yeah, bit like the chap at the Guardian (United correspondent?)

Ah well.

Oh yeah. Even if we were all of one mind on here that Mourinho doesn't deserve time - what next? What can we possibly do? Start a petition?

Qualsonic · Mar 8, 2020

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