Jose Mourinho

wizgell · Mar 3, 2020

shelfboy68 said:
Begs the question of why did levy hire him if isn't going to get the funds that he wants maybe levy just thought the squad needed an arse kicking and top four would be assured, I think everyone including Jose has now realised that it's an average team with a lot of work to do before we can compete again let alone win anything.

I think Levy was aroused by the possibility of being able to bring such a big name to the club and thought the aura of Mourinho alone would fix a situation that he should've fixed across the last few transfer windows.

shelfboy68 · Mar 3, 2020

wizgell said:
I think Levy was aroused by the possibility of being able to bring such a big name to the club and thought the aura of Mourinho alone would fix a situation that he should've fixed across the last few transfer windows.

You may have a point there the neglect has cost us dear will take a few seasons to get back amongst it if at all.

John48 · Mar 3, 2020

sparx100 said:
Yup and I want a Ferrari unfortunately it's out of my price range so I have to go for something more achievable. Surely he should have had a top 3 target in the positions he was looking to recruit in otherwise our scouting system is pointless.

Dybala & Grealish were achievable with a little bit of extra commitment from Levy. Both players have said they thought they were coming & Grealish had cleared out his locker & said his goodbyes apparently. Levy chose not to put the extra pounds in, which for Grealish looks a bit silly because even at 40M the boy looks a snip because he's now said to be worth 70 to 80M & the clubs being said to be in for him are MU, MCity even & the likes of RM or Barca.

cliff jones · Mar 3, 2020

We just have too many weaknesses at present for him to plug them all.

Our attacking play up till Dele missed his header in the second half was much improved with some good combos and lively contributions by Moura and Aurier. We deserved our lead.

The lack of defensive awareness on the other hand for the two counter attacks that saw us lose the points was fkin criminal. Why doesn’t Sanchez take Jota out? Tanganga is hopelessly oblivious to Jiminez’ position. Dier did OK but lacks recovery pace.

would Toby or Jam have made any difference? Doubt it.

could Jose have made it clearer that a handful of yellows to cut off their high speed counters was the way to go?

should he have told Winks to hold as we had our noses in front?

Japhet · Mar 3, 2020

Ossie85 said:
I don't know who's fault it is, but we didn't sign a striker. And now we are seriously suffering from it. So it's very far from a successful window

I think Levy has sailed too close to the wind on many occasions over the past few seasons but has somehow got away with it. We always coped when Son was away or Harry picked up an injury. But 18 months of zero investment is unheard of and the squad was left running on fumes after the World Cup but we still scraped over the line not least because everyone around us turned to shit at the same time. This time however, we didn't get away with it. Kane and Son both picked up long term injuries at the same time and the squad neglect has bitten him in the arse, potentially to the tune of 100m or so. Maybe he thought the cards would fall right for him yet again but every gambler runs out of luck sooner or later.

mpickard2087 · Mar 3, 2020

Marty said:
I've done some digging up of stats that people can make of whatever they will, the stats don't save Mourinho from criticism but they do put it into a bit of context.

The wheels came off against Burnley last season, since we're going back to Turf Moor it feels relevant to drag all this stuff up.

Before Burnley:
3rd: Tottenham, 20-0-6, 60 points, 2,30 PPG

From the Burnley game until the end of the season:
16th: Tottenham, 3-2-7, 11 points, 0,92 PPG

From the Burnley game until Pochettino was sacked we played 24 PL matches
18/19: 3-2-7, 11 points, 0,92 PPG
19/20: 3-5-4, 14 points, 1,17 PPG
Total: 6-7-11, 25 points, 1,04 PPG

Since Mourinho was hired we have this PL record
8-2-6, 26 points, 1,63 PPG

Given all the injuries I'm still willing to cut Mourinho a little bit of slack on the results, my criticism of him goes mostly on that we have absolutely no discernable style of play when neither Kane or Son are in the side. It's now two months since Kane was injured and nearly every game since then we've played like the team is composed of 11 strangers that met each other in the tunnel, that just isn't good enough.

Good post. What I would say though is that if you dig a bit deeper into matches since Jose was installed, things do look quite shaky.

Totally burgled wins against Brighton and Aston Villa, plus a point against Norwich. There are other rollercoaster PL games too that haven't been convincing and/or we've just squeaked through and got results. We've also somehow navigated a path through both rounds of the cup so far with late heroics.

You can do 'what ifs' for every team, manager, season etc. But I don't think it's unfair to say that, all the caveats (coming in mid-season, team at a low point, injuries) included, we're a hairs breadth from being not much better off at all, much further down the table, and that PPG stat considerably dropping. The mood amongst the fanbase seems sour enough after the downturn in the last few weeks, it could have been worse....

Everlasting Seconds · Mar 3, 2020

mpickard2087 said:
Good post. What I would say though is that if you dig a bit deeper into matches since Jose was installed, things do look quite shaky.

Totally burgled wins against Brighton and Aston Villa, plus a point against Norwich. There are other rollercoaster PL games too that haven't been convincing and/or we've just squeaked through and got results. We've also somehow navigated a path through both rounds of the cup so far with late heroics.

You can do 'what ifs' for every team, manager, season etc. But I don't think it's unfair to say that, all the caveats (coming in mid-season, team at a low point, injuries) included, we're a hairs breadth from being not much better off at all, much further down the table, and that PPG stat considerably dropping. The mood amongst the fanbase seems sour enough after the downturn in the last few weeks, it could have been worse....

It is a bit unfair actually because it's all stipulation, extrapolation, some guess work and a bit of scare mongering. Simultaneously, one COULD say that one-two injuries less and we could be very much better off now, maybe even within top 4. What does it serve to be drawing up a worst case scenario that could have been and making it seem as if that's just a question of margins. I'm guessing that you simply don't enjoy the type of football and that you are expressing that in a roundabout way with a gloomy post.

mpickard2087 · Mar 3, 2020

Everlasting Seconds said:
It is a bit unfair actually because it's all stipulation, extrapolation, some guess work and a bit of scare mongering. Simultaneously, one COULD say that one-two injuries less and we could be very much better off now, maybe even within top 4. What does it serve to be drawing up a worst case scenario that could have been and making it seem as if that's just a question of margins. I'm guessing that you simply don't enjoy the type of football and that you are expressing that in a roundabout way with a gloomy post.

I'm sticking with my appraisal, thanks.

Blackrat1299 · Mar 3, 2020

Is this a bit of Déjà vu

Tottenham's Mourinho rules out summer overhaul

Tottenham's Mourinho rules out summer overhaul

Tottenham manager Jose Mourinho has ruled out a summer overhaul of his squad as he looks to revive his side's form after three consecutive defeats.

www.espn.co.uk

pelayo59 · Mar 3, 2020

Blackrat1299 said:
Is this a bit of Déjà vu

Tottenham's Mourinho rules out summer overhaul

Tottenham's Mourinho rules out summer overhaul

Tottenham manager Jose Mourinho has ruled out a summer overhaul of his squad as he looks to revive his side's form after three consecutive defeats.

www.espn.co.uk

Yeah, of course he will say in March that we will replace half of a team

PLTuck · Mar 3, 2020

Just watched his presser. Seemed in good spirits. I was happy to see him refuse to throw NDombele under the bus.

As expected he said that the team doesn't need an overhaul (a new word for him he said, it was translated to him as "massive changes"), but that the squad clearly needs improving.

Gb160 · Mar 3, 2020

PLTuck said:
Just watched his presser.

Linky?

PLTuck · Mar 3, 2020

Gb160 said:
Linky?

chelmyid · Mar 3, 2020

double0 said:
The same can be said either way how do you know he didn't go for second third fourth choices ( is he your mate?) ... Stones and glass houses.

However I totally agree with you it's time to move on

I never stated that he did or didn’t, I simply pulled a point which no one knows if true or not

dondo · Mar 3, 2020

mpickard2087 said:
Good post. What I would say though is that if you dig a bit deeper into matches since Jose was installed, things do look quite shaky.

Totally burgled wins against Brighton and Aston Villa, plus a point against Norwich. There are other rollercoaster PL games too that haven't been convincing and/or we've just squeaked through and got results. We've also somehow navigated a path through both rounds of the cup so far with late heroics.

You can do 'what ifs' for every team, manager, season etc. But I don't think it's unfair to say that, all the caveats (coming in mid-season, team at a low point, injuries) included, we're a hairs breadth from being not much better off at all, much further down the table, and that PPG stat considerably dropping. The mood amongst the fanbase seems sour enough after the downturn in the last few weeks, it could have been worse....

For the first half of last season we burgled a lot of wins with Pochettino in charge. A lot of lesser sides sat back and gave us the ball and tried to defend deep.
Later that season teams realised we were not the team we were and started pressing and attacking us and we were not physically up to it and still aren’t.
My theory is that the gruelling Pochettino training sessions have retired a lot if our players prematurely and with keeping more or less the same squad together for so long it’s all happening at once and the results are evident out on the field with Toby, Jan, Rose, Eriksen, Dier, Kane looking like they have lead in their boots a lot of the time

Shadydan · Mar 3, 2020

Wouldn't read too much into that, he's gonna do everything to protect his players but I'm pretty sure he's gonna expect some significant changes in the summer.

shelfboy68 · Mar 3, 2020

Gb160 said:
Linky?

64?

slartibartfast · Mar 3, 2020

Shadydan said:
Wouldn't read too much into that, he's gonna do everything to protect his players but I'm pretty sure he's gonna expect some significant changes in the summer.

I don't think publicly saying when he looks to the bench we have no players is doing everything he can to protect his players personally.

rez9000 · Mar 3, 2020

PLTuck said:

Thanks, Tucks.

And right there, around 9:30, in the verbal equivalent of black and white, he says coming in midseason is a factor in how much he can affect training.

So, can someone tell me this: if a manager coming in mid-season cannot change training and tactics in a significant way, how can a new manager be expected to totally overhaul a club's situation in the space of three months?

We have had our new manager bounce - we took a lot of points in the early stages and now we're in the for the grind that always comes after that bounce.

People should listen and not let their prejudices determine their thinking. That said, might as well ask for the Moon.

Gb160 · Mar 3, 2020

slartibartfast said:
I don't think publicly saying when he looks to the bench we have no players is doing everything he can to protect his players personally.

Wasn't he talking about goalscorers when he said that?

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