Jose Mourinho

Metalhead · Mar 3, 2020

fedupyid said:
Tim Sherwood > Jose Mourinho

I hated when Tim was our manager but he had a better win record than Mourinho and we played better football.

We had the best manager I can remember as a Spurs Fan and we failed to back him after he turned down Madrid when Levy promised he would be backed. Constantly failed to sign our first choice signings.

I used to laugh at my friends who were Man Utd fans because of Mourinho now Levy had cursed us with him.

Tim Sherwood? That's a brave thing to post my friend.

spursfan77 · Mar 3, 2020

John48 said:
Lost 3 in a row, first time in years, so they have got worse recently.

We were worried about scoring goals, we did score them, but we had no defenders & quite often it was 1 or 2 Wolves players up against 4 or 5 of ours & they stilled scored.

This was happening under Poch this season too. Our players don’t seem to be decisive and want to make a decision. Instead they let the attacker be the one to decide the action rather than do something to make them react.

Wheeler Dealer · Mar 3, 2020

spursfan77 said:
This was happening under Poch this season too. Our players don’t seem to be decisive and want to make a decision. Instead they let the attacker be the one to decide the action rather than do something to make them react.

That's because there appears to be no noticeable plan or strategy. The starting X1 and formation is forever changing. Our play lacks focus, cohesion, belief and confidence. The coaching staff have to shoulder most of the blame irrespective of injuries to key players

Everlasting Seconds · Mar 3, 2020

Wheeler Dealer said:
That's because there appears to be no noticeable plan or strategy. The starting X1 and formation is forever changing. Our play lacks focus, cohesion, belief and confidence. The coaching staff have to shoulder most of the blame irrespective of injuries to key players

I disagree, because a reasonably level headed peek back over Mourinho's 100 first days at Spurs goes something like this:
Took over a very under performing squad
Instantly found a line up of 11 players who fit a plan and got results immediately
Suffered a couple of minor injuries to "his" line up and adapted. Went on with good results and some entertaining football. Direct competitor to top 4.
Suffered major injury to the club's star. Went through a tricky few matches but eventually adapted once again, and although the football wasn't as entertaining, got the train back on the tracks. For the 2nd time a direct competitor for top 4.
Had a successful first transfer window.
Suffered yet a major injury to one of the biggest stars and biggest goal threat. There are no more possible and viable short term patches to adapt with.
So clearly, they have been working hard to adapt as best as they can to ever changing bad circumstances, and what was really a slim squad to begin with. But you can only invent so many successful short term patches.

Japhet · Mar 3, 2020

Wheeler Dealer said:
That's because there appears to be no noticeable plan or strategy. The starting X1 and formation is forever changing. Our play lacks focus, cohesion, belief and confidence. The coaching staff have to shoulder most of the blame irrespective of injuries to key players

We obviously have some gaping holes in the squad now. I don't think anyone would have predicted Vertonghen and Alderweireld's form dropping off a cliff this season which has made things worse. Crucially, we don't have a DM which makes me wonder why we signed Gedson Fernandes in January but passed on Sander Berge (who didn't cost a fortune and nowhere near Gedson if we make it permanent). Maybe Mourinho was thinking Dier or Wanyama might come good but anyone who's been paying attention would have realised the unliklihood of that. The Wolves game highlighted huge holes in midfield that they exploited and yet Mourinho still persists with 5 at the back who, when put on the back foot look like they have no idea how to cope. We're ridiculously easy to play through at the moment and we seem to be frequently overloaded in midfield, so, regardless of injuries up front, there's a lot of stuff that isn't working at all well. A bit of midfield solidity might have seen us over the line to CL qualification so better recruitment in Jan in key aeas could quite easily have paid for itself.

double0 · Mar 3, 2020

rossdapep said:
Granted Njie and Nkodou were duds and he did right by rejecting anymore of those types but Janssen WAS his choice! It was widely suggested at the time that Poch scouted him and it was his preference.

The point is Poch made some very good signings in his time. Son, Wanyama, Toby. Sanchez - the club backed him in those instances. He also vastly improved players who were considered quite average such as Rose, Trippier, Davies, Dier, etc, he finally got a tune out of the under performers such as Walker, Jan, Dembele and Lamela. Plus he worked a few younger players into the squad (Winks, Kane).

I agree that the club should have more ambition and SHOULD target bigger players that could become world class but if those players are unattainable you have to look at the alternatives and especially those types you improved previously.

Andre Gomes was linked at the time, he's done quite well at Everton and would certainly have been a good option. I don't recall any Njie types being linked, it seemed to be players that were decent and I think Poch would have improved as that was generally what he specialised in.

Imagine if we signed some from Doucoure, Gomes, Tielemans, Brooks, Maddison - you can't tell me Poch wouldn't have improved these players?! All had high potential just needed coaching right. Instead we waited a year, forked out massively on Ndombele and he's really struggling and there's a chance he becomes a massive flop. If wed have spent that 60m that summer on Doucoure and Brooks/Gomes we may be in a far better situation.

Again Janssen wasn't Pochittinho first choice if you cast your memory back it was Michy Batshuayi.
The players you mentioned wouldn't have improved us Maddison is vastly overrated and not better than Dele in assists and goals plus Eriksen.. Brooks I give you was a miss but has chronic injuries the greatest mistake was Grealish that was down to Levy again messing about.

Anyway Pochittinho has gone. I just hope Levy backs Mourinho totally whereas I honestly feel Pochittinho was let down with transfers.

danielneeds · Mar 3, 2020

fedupyid said:
Tim Sherwood > Jose Mourinho

I hated when Tim was our manager but he had a better win record than Mourinho and we played better football.

We had the best manager I can remember as a Spurs Fan and we failed to back him after he turned down Madrid when Levy promised he would be backed. Constantly failed to sign our first choice signings.

I used to laugh at my friends who were Man Utd fans because of Mourinho now Levy had cursed us with him.

I mean, saying Sherwood over Jose is laughable in almost every way, but at least in the last season as bad as this one Sherwood had the bravery to say, “You know what, this team is shit,” and stick in a load of young players, which gave the fans some hope and which Poch reaped the benefits of them getting blooded.

At the moment it still feels like we’re going absolutely nowhere fast.

spursfan77 · Mar 3, 2020

Wheeler Dealer said:
That's because there appears to be no noticeable plan or strategy. The starting X1 and formation is forever changing. Our play lacks focus, cohesion, belief and confidence. The coaching staff have to shoulder most of the blame irrespective of injuries to key players

Which set?

Because it has been going on for 12 months.

nailsy · Mar 3, 2020

fedupyid said:
Tim Sherwood > Jose Mourinho

I hated when Tim was our manager but he had a better win record than Mourinho and we played better football.

We had the best manager I can remember as a Spurs Fan and we failed to back him after he turned down Madrid when Levy promised he would be backed. Constantly failed to sign our first choice signings.

I used to laugh at my friends who were Man Utd fans because of Mourinho now Levy had cursed us with him.

Which trophies has Tim won as a manager?

spursfan77 · Mar 3, 2020

nailsy said:
Which trophies has Tim won as a manager?

Best win percentage trophy

Hakkz · Mar 3, 2020

Japhet said:
We obviously have some gaping holes in the squad now. I don't think anyone would have predicted Vertonghen and Alderweireld's form dropping off a cliff this season which has made things worse. Crucially, we don't have a DM which makes me wonder why we signed Gedson Fernandes in January but passed on Sander Berge (who didn't cost a fortune and nowhere near Gedson if we make it permanent). Maybe Mourinho was thinking Dier or Wanyama might come good but anyone who's been paying attention would have realised the unliklihood of that. The Wolves game highlighted huge holes in midfield that they exploited and yet Mourinho still persists with 5 at the back who, when put on the back foot look like they have no idea how to cope. We're ridiculously easy to play through at the moment and we seem to be frequently overloaded in midfield, so, regardless of injuries up front, there's a lot of stuff that isn't working at all well. A bit of midfield solidity might have seen us over the line to CL qualification so better recruitment in Jan in key aeas could quite easily have paid for itself.

Mourinho didn't fancy Berge.

nailsy · Mar 3, 2020

Trix said:
He was right but, that half his fault. When he said he desperately needed a CB, what he actually meant was he desperately wanted DeLigt. Whenvit became abundantly clear he was unobtainable, he put no other names forward and knocked back those offered to him.

I wouldn't be surprised if this stubborn streak is why we only have one striker at the club now.

double0 · Mar 3, 2020

chelmyid said:
Pure speculation on your part there - you cannot confidently state they weren’t his choices (unless he’s your best mate. Y the way!)
Far too short sighted and it’s what cost him his job
He was managing tottenham. We have a place in the football food chain at this point - and it’s not the top - therefore you need alternatives if your nr 1’s aren’t available

I can’t believe we’re even still talking about poch. It seems to be holding most fans back - maybe it’s holding some players back as well
This living in the past and analysing poch?
He’s gone, it’s done, that superb part of us is now resigned to the history books. We can’t change the past but we can effect the future - let’s move forward

The same can be said either way how do you know he didn't go for second third fourth choices ( is he your mate?) ... Stones and glass houses.

However I totally agree with you it's time to move on

Metalhead · Mar 3, 2020

Thewobbler said:
This is the toughest challenge of joses career. He has always been at the best clubs in the world or chelsea or who had a billionaire to buy whoever he wanted. At spurs he going to have to be very shrewd with his signings as we cant get the very best players. Its a tough job and its a shame that fans are already on his back as this squad and how its been left to rot isnt his fault.

I just hope levy backs him properly in the summer and manages to quickly shift the deadwood.

Yes we have been lucky in getting some wins this season but thats what we need right now, massive amounts of luck until the summer.

It is unchartered territory for sure (aside from Porto and that was quite some time ago) but this has to be something that he wanted because he would have been hugely naive not to realise something that is evident to every fan (i.e. that funds would be lower than at 99% of his previous clubs). Obviously he still needs backing and this is certainly in many ways his biggest challenge so far.

Japhet · Mar 3, 2020

Hakkz said:
Mourinho didn't fancy Berge.

Yes, obviously. But the situation we were in I think he'd have been a useful signing. Not necessarily saying Berge was the answer by the way, just saying an obvious weakness was ignored in Jan. I'm also not sure why Skipp is continually ignored tbh.

Hakkz · Mar 3, 2020

Japhet said:
Yes, obviously. But the situation we were in I think he'd have been a useful signing. Not necessarily saying Berge was the answer by the way, just saying an obvious weakness was ignored in Jan. I'm also not sure why Skipp is continually ignored tbh.

Fair enough. What the club considered to be obvious and gaping holes, I don't know (as opposed to other people who seem to know exactly what we need all the time). I think that DM could potentially be solved until the summer by playing Foyth/Skipp, why we aren't trying it I have no idea. Skipp especially seems to show good spirit and looks reliable when playing.

fedupyid · Mar 3, 2020

So now we have good looking Allardyce as our manager. How many people miss Pochettino?

Metalhead · Mar 3, 2020

fedupyid said:
So now we have good looking Allardyce as our manager. How many people miss Pochettino?

I really don't see the point in going on about Poch. He had reached the end of the road - yes he could have been backed more but his heart wasn't in it and he's gone now.

rossdapep · Mar 3, 2020

fedupyid said:
So now we have good looking Allardyce as our manager. How many people miss Pochettino?

Yeah cause one of the greatest coaches of all time and Fat Sam are the same thing?!

People often get this wrong. Fat Sam would ONLY operate with a battering ram up top (Davies) and punt long balls up for knock downs for the likes of Nolan etc. Whereas Jose plays with a low block in big games but uses the channels and fast transitions through the midfield. When that breaks down it looks like a long aimless pass but that's not the intention.

Allardyce would often tell his defenders to punt it long and aim for the target man. Jose teams can do that occasionally but that's not they key strategy.

If it was - and Jose and Sam were the same - then Jose would have gotten nowhere near to winning the things he did.

Led's Zeppelin · Mar 3, 2020

fedupyid said:
So now we have good looking Allardyce as our manager. How many people miss Pochettino?

Interesting point. It's almost spooky how similar their records are isn't it?

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