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dtxspurs

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He’s been first team only out of necessity. same as Sissoko, not based off their merit or ability.
 

dtxspurs

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what the feck does that even mean? There's almost always a better player out there not on your team.
That they were essentially the only fit warm bodies in midfield and that’s why they started. Not because they were beating out other players at the position.
 

fortworthspur

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That they were essentially the only fit warm bodies in midfield and that’s why they started. Not because they were beating out other players at the position.
well other than Skipp who was loaned out, Dele, Fernandes and Harvey White whoever that is.
 

Dirtysanchez6

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I assume it means the same thing to me as it does to every single former player pundit who has commentated on this incident.

Not one has blamed Winks for a catastrophic defensive error or choice. Neither do I.

You're free to believe whatever you like. (y)
A 50/50 is when two players meet the ball at the exact same time foot to foot but whatever you say lol
 

RikkiRocket

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A 50/50 is when two players meet the ball at the exact same time foot to foot but whatever you say lol

mate. Your wasting your time. If a ex pro says it wasn’t his fault then that’s the law. The same ex pro who ironically said VVD was the best CB he’d ever seen, a cb who’s team got 7 pumped by them last week.

you can’t help some people.
 

SCUMmucs

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Considering the bashing I was giving him before the season I actually think he’s playing better this season than last. I’m not going to completely write him off just yet. He’s passing forward a bit
 

Vincent30

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Can someone at least tell me what Winks excels at? What is he very good at?

PEH - Great tackling, always creates an angle for a pass, some great forward passing, leader, strong.
Ndombele - His eye for a pass is one of the best i've seen, great ability to retain the ball and skillful, progressive.
Lo Celso - 8/10 at most things, very good passer, skillful. hard working, can score. can create, rarely gives away the ball.

Now this isn't me just bashing Winks for the sake of it, as when i first saw him i was really excited to see how he would develop and thought his passing was going to be a real asset as that was his main skill (real progressive passing), but it's so distinctly average now. He isn't a great long passer, his short passing is okay but not as progressive as you'd like.

Just for reference, in the LASK game in the second half, he had one of the easiest over the top passes on to Son for one on one and just massively over hit it to their GK and you could see Son was furious. This is why i'm tired of him and don't back him. I can't name one thing he is actually good at? For a team of our aspirations that isn't good enough, Skipp is very likely to replace him in the squad next year. He should be excelling against the likes of LASK, like PEH but did nothing of any note (again).
 
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DiVaio

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Just for reference, in the LASK game in the second half, he had one of the easiest over the top passes on to Son for one on one and just massively over hit it to their GK and you could see Son was furious. This is why i'm tired of him and don't back him. I can't name one thing he is actually good at? For a team of our aspirations that isn't good enough,
Winks passing sideways or being just calm with the ball - very bad
Winks passing great forward ball - very bad

I wouldn't say that ball is one of the easiest top passes or that ball is massively over hit to their GK either.

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He’s been first team only out of necessity. same as Sissoko, not based off their merit or ability.

Not sure if it's surprising the stick Moussa gets. He's an absolute unit. A big physical presence that earns his place through merit (effort). Endless stamina, too.

He may not be there on technical merit, to the casual viewer, but his physicality can be vital in some matches he plays in. He also provides a very subtle transition from defence to attack, and effortlessly covers the defensive side, too. Not a million miles off Scotty P in that respect, but I think Moussa's faults are exasperated by his lack of attacking finesse. Scotty had that too, but didn't "reveal" it as much.

I feel sorry for Winks because he's a spurs lad, but I think he's in a similar situation as Dele in that he doesn't really fit in to our formation/style any more, and seems to be too rigid to adapt to it (again, unlike Sissoko, whose strengths are irrelevant to a style/formation).
 

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Not sure if it's surprising the stick Moussa gets. He's an absolute unit. A big physical presence that earns his place through merit (effort). Endless stamina, too.

He may not be there on technical merit, to the casual viewer, but his physicality can be vital in some matches he plays in. He also provides a very subtle transition from defence to attack, and effortlessly covers the defensive side, too. Not a million miles off Scotty P in that respect, but I think Moussa's faults are exasperated by his lack of attacking finesse. Scotty had that too, but didn't "reveal" it as much.

I feel sorry for Winks because he's a spurs lad, but I think he's in a similar situation as Dele in that he doesn't really fit in to our formation/style any more, and seems to be too rigid to adapt to it (again, unlike Sissoko, whose strengths are irrelevant to a style/formation).
I dont want to bash a spurs player too much especially one that does put so much effort in. But it's not like Sissoko is that brilliant tactically either. His positioning can leave of us exposed in midfield and look at his effort marking Balbuena on the backpost for the first goal. For a senior role player it just isnt good enough. reckon Skipp will make him redundant next year.
 
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I dont want to bash a spurs player too much especially one that does put so much effort in. But it's not like Sissoko is that brilliant tactically either. His positioning can leave of us exposed in midfield and look at his effort marking Balbuena on the backpost for the first goal. For a senior role player it just isnt good enough. reckon Skipp will make him redundant next year.

Maybe, but I think his issue is often that he's left to cover for other players, which leaves him at sixes and sevens. He's not alone in having the odd mistake, and I think we'd be hard pushed to find anyone in the team that doesn't have the odd one - they're just more 'critical' when they are on the defensive side.
 

allpaths

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Maybe, but I think his issue is often that he's left to cover for other players, which leaves him at sixes and sevens. He's not alone in having the odd mistake, and I think we'd be hard pushed to find anyone in the team that doesn't have the odd one - they're just more 'critical' when they are on the defensive side.
agree having to play an auxiliary rb from midfield hasnt down him or winks any favours.
 

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A "tidy" player
A "proper" footballer
"English"

And my personal favorite - "Has bags of potential" - because evidently once you were a kid who had potential at some point in the past, that potential never goes away, you'll just always have it until you are at least 28 possible 31.
 

dtxspurs

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Not sure if it's surprising the stick Moussa gets. He's an absolute unit. A big physical presence that earns his place through merit (effort). Endless stamina, too.

He may not be there on technical merit, to the casual viewer, but his physicality can be vital in some matches he plays in. He also provides a very subtle transition from defence to attack, and effortlessly covers the defensive side, too. Not a million miles off Scotty P in that respect, but I think Moussa's faults are exasperated by his lack of attacking finesse. Scotty had that too, but didn't "reveal" it as much.

I feel sorry for Winks because he's a spurs lad, but I think he's in a similar situation as Dele in that he doesn't really fit in to our formation/style any more, and seems to be too rigid to adapt to it (again, unlike Sissoko, whose strengths are irrelevant to a style/formation).
I'd take Sissoko every day over Winks.
 

Snarfalicious

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I find it weird how there’s a collection of fans who get so upset by Harry effing Winks to the point where you thought he stole their wives, killed their dogs or slapped their moms. He’s a decent squad player, and that’s really what he is at this point. He’s not going to wow anyone, and for a guy who can come in, work hard, and operate within his skill set, that’s fine, I guess. Can he be upgraded on? Likely. And I think that’s a very real possibility in the future (along with Dele). Until then, he’s still going to play, he’s still going to pass sideways, FRAAB and be be the color beige as a midfielder.
 

razzmaster

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I find it weird how there’s a collection of fans who get so upset by Harry effing Winks to the point where you thought he stole their wives, killed their dogs or slapped their moms. He’s a decent squad player, and that’s really what he is at this point. He’s not going to wow anyone, and for a guy who can come in, work hard, and operate within his skill set, that’s fine, I guess. Can he be upgraded on? Likely. And I think that’s a very real possibility in the future (along with Dele). Until then, he’s still going to play, he’s still going to pass sideways, FRAAB and be be the color beige as a midfielder.

I could be completely wrong but I have a feeling that Winks is appreciated more by people who have played football to a decent level.

To the casual fan he doesn't do much, but I have played with and against similar style players at a much lower level and would pick him over a Sissoko type every time. You know he will always show for the ball, keep it moving and won't give it away, whereas you are more likely to be caught out of position, be left isolated or concede possession with a Sissoko type. There are not many players who are able to recycle possession the way Winks does and that is an underrated skill.

Winks has a lot of areas he can improve in but he is nowhere near as bad as is made out.

He is also not a DM and should never be used as one.
 

punkisback

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Honestly think he’s had an injury which has hampered him. Looked so much better a few seasons ago. Like him very much but he is lacking that extra bit to make him the player that he was against Madrid. Maybe it’s fear. The more experience players get the more fear they play with.
 
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