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Jose Mourinho

How do you feel about Mourinho appointment

  • Excited - silverware here we come baby

    Votes: 666 46.7%
  • Meh - will give him a chance and hope he is successful

    Votes: 468 32.8%
  • Horrified - praying for the day he'll fuck off

    Votes: 292 20.5%

  • Total voters
    1,426

chinaman

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Jul 19, 2003
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Pressing was always Pochettino’s thing too and the players stopped doing it. Definitely the players take the majority of the blame for last season


The team was getting old and we didn't have fresh legs for over two years. Had Levy backed Poch fully, we could have achieved something.
 

dondo

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Jan 4, 2006
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The team was getting old and we didn't have fresh legs for over two years. Had Levy backed Poch fully, we could have achieved something.


Pressing from the front we were/are not old. Kane, Eriksen don Alli are not old.
Imo Pochettino’s Famously hard training sessions have prematurely shagged out certain players.
Eriksen is a ghost of what he was as is Alli and even Kane can’t press like he used too
 

chelmyid

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Aug 25, 2010
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The team was getting old and we didn't have fresh legs for over two years. Had Levy backed Poch fully, we could have achieved something.
This whole non backing is getting ridiculous now. Nobody knows what went on behind the scenes - however we are led to believe it was specifically poch who had a very limited transfer list and would t budge. I’m sure levy was worried when he was buying no one - he’s a fan don’t forget - in fact You could actually argue that if poch said ‘I want x or nobody’ and levy bought no one against his own or the scouts own judgement that he was actually backing him? And then at the end he spent over a £100m for him

the actual point of the above is can please stop banging on about what might have been when the truth is completely unknown.
you can’t beat the present with a stick from the past
 

jay2040

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Aug 31, 2012
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This whole non backing is getting ridiculous now. Nobody knows what went on behind the scenes - however we are led to believe it was specifically poch who had a very limited transfer list and would t budge. I’m sure levy was worried when he was buying no one - he’s a fan don’t forget - in fact You could actually argue that if poch said ‘I want x or nobody’ and levy bought no one against his own or the scouts own judgement that he was actually backing him? And then at the end he spent over a £100m for him

the actual point of the above is can please stop banging on about what might have been when the truth is completely unknown.
you can’t beat the present with a stick from the past

Agree. Let's look forward, we have Bale and based on the last performance the boys are sharp and hungry and Jose is in control.
 

fortworthspur

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Nov 12, 2007
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The team was getting old and we didn't have fresh legs for over two years. Had Levy backed Poch fully, we could have achieved something.
I love Poch but he seemed to have hit a wall and not know the way forward. We will never really know if Levy made money available to Poch but he's spending it now in the middle of the Covid recession.
 

F_AN2CE

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May 13, 2014
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Netflix "The Playbook" (A Coach's Rules for Life) episode 3 features José...

Perhaps this should have been posted in the "What series did you watch last" thread, but Dr.M. comes across as almost human so hence posted in here!

If the first 45 - 60 secs don't get you - Do not watch. Personally I made an effort of hating him before he came to Spurs (easy) but somehow find him growing on me these days. I still understand why he's considered arrogant (wich I also do, but now he's OUR arrogant ****!) but I hope you make it beyond the first minute of the episode!

TL;DR Start from episode 1 with Doc Rivers.
 

chinaman

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Jul 19, 2003
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I love Poch but he seemed to have hit a wall and not know the way forward. We will never really know if Levy made money available to Poch but he's spending it now in the middle of the Covid recession.


Poch's loyalty to Levy was his downfall. He toed the company linetoo much for his own good.
 

jay2040

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Aug 31, 2012
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The team was getting old and we didn't have fresh legs for over two years. Had Levy backed Poch fully, we could have achieved something.

That ship.has sailed and hypothesis til cows come home! We don't know the full detail.

Look forwards rather than backwards....
 

jay2040

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Aug 31, 2012
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I love Poch but he seemed to have hit a wall and not know the way forward. We will never really know if Levy made money available to Poch but he's spending it now in the middle of the Covid recession.

Whats Covid situation got to do.with it? You are complaining that we are spending!

I don't think the lads from Madrid were available then and no guarantee they would have come for Poch!
 

olliec

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Jun 20, 2012
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Isn't mourinho always successful in his 2nd season? lets hope thats the case with us as well
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Technically this is his first full season. Ah crap I screwed this post up.
 

thekneaf

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Jan 18, 2011
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Bayern and Liverpool use a variable press, which it seems is what Jose is trying to get us to do. He did this with united too in the Europa using Sanchez on the ball as the trigger. It's not that new, many of us will have done this at school when you realise who the weak link on a team is. However, when done well it conserves energy.

That said, I don't think the Poch era players at snagged per say, I think they've always had a little mental softness which he trained out of them for periods, but his book starts off furious at their mental weakness.
 

Sophos151

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Jul 31, 2016
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Really good piece on our asymmetry under Jose so far, how it’s limiting us and why Reguilon can offer a new dynamic: https://breakingthelines.com/tactical-analysis/tactical-analysis-asymmetry-at-tottenham-hotspur/

The one thing that this article doesn't really touch on is that although the 3-2-5 doesn't particularly suit our team. It definitely suits our fullbacks - Davies is comfortable at centre-back, while Aurier is at his best going forwards - but not our attacking players.

Son - Dele - Kane - Lucas - Aurier

On the right, we have Lucas tucking in to play as one of two 'number 10s' operating in the space behind Harry Kane. He's asked to provide a central passing option, operate in tight spaces, and provide creativity - none of which he's particularly good at. This lack of creativity was made a lot worse by the fact that he often had Aurier and Sissoko to combine with, two more players who aren't all that good at receiving and passing.

This would have been a lot less problematic if we'd used Lo Celso in that role, coming in off of the right and creating space for Aurier to overlap. Lo Celso, like Lucas, likes to dribble and works hard defensively - but he also provides clever movement and creative passing, areas in which Lucas is sorely lacking. Unfortuantely, this isn't something Mourinho ever tried.

On the left, we had Son being asked to provide the width. This has opened up space for him at times, with the opposition being drawn to the other flank, but ultimately it limits him. Son is a natural goalscorer, and forcing him to also be our primary wide option limits his ability to get into goalscoring positions and around the box.

The signing of Doherty suggests we're going to keep pushing the right-back high, while the signing of Reguilon suggests that the left-back is going to push higher up too. But it's quite likely that Mourinho will want to keep attacking with a front five. I see two main ways to achieve this.

The first is a 4-3-3, with the front five being composed of two attacking fullbacks, two inside forwards (Son and Bale), and Harry Kane. Ideally, Lo Celso and Ndombele would act as the two in the middle, providing control and quick ball circulation in possession, and incisive passing and press evasion in transition - in defence, Hojbjerg would join them in the middle.

The other is to switch to a 3-4-3, with the front five being the same. Lo Celso and Ndombele probably couldn't play together in the midfield without a third player in there, so you'd need to sacrifice one of them for Hojbjerg. The advantage here would be that Reguilon and Doherty would be able to start higher and have more freedom to make runs.
 

rossdapep

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Aug 25, 2011
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Bayern and Liverpool use a variable press, which it seems is what Jose is trying to get us to do. He did this with united too in the Europa using Sanchez on the ball as the trigger. It's not that new, many of us will have done this at school when you realise who the weak link on a team is. However, when done well it conserves energy.

That said, I don't think the Poch era players at snagged per say, I think they've always had a little mental softness which he trained out of them for periods, but his book starts off furious at their mental weakness.
That's right.

The problem I think we have is that some of our players aren't able to recognise when to press.

For example, Hojbjerg will go to engage an advancing player or a player who receives with his back to our goal, yet the other midfielders will be quite slack and the defensive line drops. This means there's space every where for the opposition if that player rolls or moves past Hojbjerg.

You need everyone in that press at the same time. It takes time to build that understanding and some players will never get it.
 

fortworthspur

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Nov 12, 2007
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Whats Covid situation got to do.with it? You are complaining that we are spending!

I don't think the lads from Madrid were available then and no guarantee they would have come for Poch!
Im not complaining. Im pointing out Levy is willing to spend at a time when are finances have taken a hit so Im not sure he wasnt willing to spend for. Poch.
 

thekneaf

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Jan 18, 2011
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Im not complaining. Im pointing out Levy is willing to spend at a time when are finances have taken a hit so Im not sure he wasnt willing to spend for. Poch.
The financing is secured, as is the build. If Poch hadn't thrown the toys and his sense out of the pram, he might be here to reap the benefits.
 
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