The Cricket Thread

Buggsy61 · Sep 9, 2019

JimmyG2 said:
Ooops, thanks.
I might be right yet though.

Do you think England will drop anyone
and try a couple ahead of the winter tour?
I suppose not with as you say a possible draw.

I hope they do - Just feels like it needs a bit of a freshen up.
I would bring Pope back for Roy, and possibly Sibly for Buttler, and given the batting performances of those two this series it should not affect the team too much. Might not hurt bring in Foakes for Bairstow either. He averages over 40 in test matches after making his debut in the winter, but was then unceremoniously discarded for some reason. He is also a better keeper than Bairstow in my opinion.

mpickard2087 · Sep 9, 2019

dimiSpur said:
Long term, not winning the Ashes will be beneficial to this England team. There are a few reasons we lost this series (techincally we may not lose it of course). Overall, this England team is obviously a far cry from the Test teams of the last decade. Therefore, the only way the powers that be will be "moved" into action and rectifying the situation, is with a series defeat.

Will it though? The evidence of the last 5-10 years suggests not. Getting absolutely spanked in Oz numerous times, or miserable performances anywhere in Asia, or the Windies etc. hasn't changed anything so I'm not sure why it will this time. as I've said countless times now, this is a deeply average team that plays pretty shit test cricket, but luckily test cricket as a whole is very average (especially when it comes to teams playing away from home) and that makes results look just about alright on the whole, we could even sneak a 2-2 here after all. We seem more than happy to drift along assuming our seamers will get the job done on our pitches, but we wont have Broad/Anderson and their thousand wickets worth of nous and experience for much longer.

If you went into the minutiae of it all you'd just see repeat errors. Whether it be dismissals/batting collapses, rocking up to test series woefully undercooked and getting blown away first match, selecting favourites again and again and getting no return from that backing, There's so much across the board.

It's two-fold though. Whilst standards and leadership need to be much better from those running the test team, the red ball game as a whole in this country needs a massive amount of work. We're not getting test match capable batters coming through, there's not enough real quality (real pace) quicks, you can count the number of spinners with anything about them in the red ball game on one hand, and the structure and calendar of the format just compounds this. But with white ball cricket being the cash cow, for players and counties, I don't see change happening.

Spurs_Bear · Sep 9, 2019

mpickard2087 said:
Will it though? The evidence of the last 5-10 years suggests not. Getting absolutely spanked in Oz numerous times, or miserable performances anywhere in Asia, or the Windies etc. hasn't changed anything so I'm not sure why it will this time. as I've said countless times now, this is a deeply average team that plays pretty shit test cricket, but luckily test cricket as a whole is very average (especially when it comes to teams playing away from home) and that makes results look just about alright on the whole, we could even sneak a 2-2 here after all. We seem more than happy to drift along assuming our seamers will get the job done on our pitches, but we wont have Broad/Anderson and their thousand wickets worth of nous and experience for much longer.

If you went into the minutiae of it all you'd just see repeat errors. Whether it be dismissals/batting collapses, rocking up to test series woefully undercooked and getting blown away first match, selecting favourites again and again and getting no return from that backing, There's so much across the board.

It's two-fold though. Whilst standards and leadership need to be much better from those running the test team, the red ball game as a whole in this country needs a massive amount of work. We're not getting test match capable batters coming through, there's not enough real quality (real pace) quicks, you can count the number of spinners with anything about them in the red ball game on one hand, and the structure and calendar of the format just compounds this. But with white ball cricket being the cash cow, for players and counties, I don't see change happening.

Very pertinent point in that about the lack of red ball spinners, our spinners are currently being brought through to go at 6 an over or less in white ball cricket and buy wickets with people chasing runs, Leach is pretty much the last spinner we have who is a spinner for "First Class" or Tests, and that's because Taunton has notoriously been a bunsen for the last few years.

dondo · Sep 9, 2019

Same squad for the 5th test, was always likely to be imo. Changes will happen in the next series as there will be a new coach coming in

Buggsy61 · Sep 9, 2019

dondo said:
Same squad for the 5th test, was always likely to be imo. Changes will happen in the next series as there will be a new coach coming in

Just typical of this regime - kick the can down the road and carry on making the same glaring mistakes.
Big changes are required and I don’t think we would have affected our chances at the oval by making at least 2 in the batting line up.

VegasII · Sep 9, 2019

I think Burns, Stokes and Archer have been the high points playing wise. We knew about Stokes, but Burns and Archer have given us something to build upon.

Huge changes are needed for the tours of NZ and S.Africa. About a 3rd of the team should be dropped and new players (or recalls like Curran and Foakes) given a chance. The team just looks poorly put together at the moment. Too much crossover between T20/ODIs and the Test side. I've had enough of Bairstow - I think he's going the same way as Moeen with regard to his place in the Test team.

I'd make winning the Ashes in Australia the highest priority if I was the new coach coming in.

buckley · Sep 9, 2019

I know he is a bit expensive referring runs but at least Rashid is not predictable as leach and Ali have proven to be .
He can move the ball both ways and I don't see why nitpick him .

UncleBuck · Sep 9, 2019

I wonder how much motivation there is for some of the white ball players in the test team when they know the Big bash coincides with both tours as well...
The upcoming fixture schedule is bonkers with our first game in NZ being 27th October and potentially the final day being 3rd December.
Admittedly it’s only five T/20’s and 2 tests but then our first game in SA is the 17th December and the last game being the 16th February.
Best part of four months away from home, I know they make room for family now but would I want to do it? I don’t think I could.
Going to be an interesting selection meeting coming up!

JCRD · Sep 9, 2019

Im intrigued by the importance placed on a captain in cricket. So if you look at other sports, generally the Coach is the one who employs tactics etc, is that not the case here?

Or does the captain select the 11, becomes the tactician and everything else? I mean the answer is yes but surely the coach also plays a role in this no?So it cannot be all down to Root?

UncleBuck · Sep 9, 2019

JCRD said:
Im intrigued by the importance placed on a captain in cricket. So if you look at other sports, generally the Coach is the one who employs tactics etc, is that not the case here?

Or does the captain select the 11, becomes the tactician and everything else? I mean the answer is yes but surely the coach also plays a role in this no?So it cannot be all down to Root?

Different ball game in cricket, skipper will make the call on bowling changes and fielding positions so will dictate how aggressive or defensive a fielding team will play the game.

Gb160 · Sep 10, 2019

Steve Smith mocking Jack Leach.
I suppose it was expected from the classless cheats really.

Gb160 · Sep 10, 2019

dondo said:
Is that real? Looks photoshopped to me??

if you google it every news outlet has picked up on it, so i doubt its fake.

steve smith jack leach - Google Search

www.google.com

Gb160 · Sep 10, 2019

dondo said:
No need to be a dick

Pardon?

dondo · Sep 10, 2019

Gb160 said:
Pardon?

Apologies thought you were implying something else

E17yid · Sep 10, 2019

What’s he done exactly?

glospur · Sep 10, 2019

Gb160 said:
Steve Smith mocking Jack Leach.
I suppose it was expected from the classless cheats really.

LOL wasn't Archer mocking Smith after the last test, and how often was the piss taken out of Lyon re the missed run out. The complaints about this, as it is re Smith's 'cheating,' is just massive hypocrisy from the English, who don't care when they do the exact same things.

Anyway, there's only one difference between the two sides and that's that we have one of the greatest of all time playing for us. Other than him, the teams are evenly matched, and that was shown in the 3rd test. We probably have the slightly better bowling attack, or at least have more depth, but even that would have been debatable if Anderson was fit.

I don't think this is a result for England to completely lose their perspective over. One man has made the difference, it's not a result of full blown structural failings. You wouldn't have won the WC if that was the case.

E17yid · Sep 10, 2019

glospur said:
LOL wasn't Archer mocking Smith after the last test, and how often was the piss taken out of Lyon re the missed run out. The complaints about this, as it is re Smith's 'cheating,' is just massive hypocrisy from the English, who don't care when they do the exact same things.

It does smack a bit of dishing it out but not taking it, from what I can see.

It’s a bit of gentle piss taking. Who gives a fuck.

dimiSpur · Sep 10, 2019

I'd like to see Curran play in the last test. Jury is very much still out regarding his bowling. He has a very low slingy action, so doesn't produce much bounce. Neither is he particularly fast, bowling around the 80mph mark or lower. Yes he can get a bit of swing, but it's quite predictable. In-swing from over the wicket to right handers. Smith may well have a field day against him. Or, he may be that something different that gets him in a bit of trouble.

What is for sure is that we certainly have missed his batting at 8. Woakes has been horrendous and despite hanging on well in the last Test, Overton doesn't look like someone who can match his ability with the bat.

I agree with the lack of red ball spinners. Lyon has shown the importance of a good Test match spinner. We never replaced Swann adequately. Ali, bar the the odd good performance, seems to take his wickets when batsmen underrate him and try and take him on, getting themselves out more so than Ali getting them out.

Rashid doesn't have the attitude to bowl maidens. Won't hold a line and length and create pressure. A few dot balls and he'll pitch it up further or bowl a short one. When you go at over 4 an over, you can't be an effective spinner as it's the pressure as much as anything that gets batsmen out, when they don't score and get a bit edgy. When you bowl 2 peaches and then gift them a 55mph full toss for them to get four, the previous two balls are pointless.

Going back to my original point about re-shaping the team, yes I understand this has been a long-standing issue and yet we've seen little reaction. This was partly due to the fact that we seemingly got away with it more often than not, but also due to the fact that the management was completely focussed on the World Cup. I think losing the Ashes at home for the first time since 2001, will send a shockwave. It will provoke a reaction.

Archibald&Crooks · Sep 10, 2019

glospur said:
The complaints about this, as it is re Smith's 'cheating,' is just massive hypocrisy from the English,

Yes, we often take fifteen sheets of fucking sandpaper onto the field of play and tuck it into our bollocks when we've been caught. We've very many times had a conspiracy of senior players to do that, a culture that's universally despised which festered and grew under Smith until it inevitably exploded in their faces.

It's not 'cheating' its CHEATING.

But suddenly, because its Smith, its not allowed to be referenced, you shouldn't boo him because 'it doesn't look good'.......forget how what they did looked, its not cheating is it? After all, he's the best player in the world, he can't possibly be a cheat. He can't possibly be a cheat and receive all that adulation from Australian cricket fans who rather conveniently now rail against any criticism of that weak willed cheating fuck and tuck what he did away and won't have him criticised. And we're the ones giving it the hypocrisy. Ha fucking ha.

*Fuse lit......runs away

Apologies if a 'tone' is detected, it's intended as a friendly rant

Gb160 · Sep 10, 2019

glospur said:
LOL wasn't Archer mocking Smith after the last test, and how often was the piss taken out of Lyon re the missed run out. The complaints about this, as it is re Smith's 'cheating,' is just massive hypocrisy from the English, who don't care when they do the exact same things.

TBH, a tearful apology to Leachy on the telly will be more than enough from Twitchy the cheat.

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