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Player Paulo Dybala

Twizzle

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As I understand it part of the issue is that because of the mandatory agreement with the Premier league the Premier League itself can call on any and all of a club's players to carry out some Premier league promotions and various PR activities, this being the case they don't want to have to ask the third party for permission to use the player, refusal of which could cause difficulty with sponsors who may request a particular player and this is why they insist on the clubs owning the image rights.
For this service the Premier League pay the club at a certain rate and won't countenance paying a third party at an unspecified rate in which case they would still pay the club the going rate but the club would have to settle up with the third party at whatever rate they demand The club can't refuse the PL request but will have to pay the third party which means the club has no control over their outgoings. I can't guarantee this is the exact situation but it is certainly the gyst of it and there may be other issues as well.

appreciate the explanation

this image rights issue gets down to the player's greed in my opinion, it wasn't necessary and its just another avenue for revenue raising on behalf of the player, now its come back to bite him on the arse as he's locked in now and it prevented his transfer when all parties had reached an agreement

he can't have it both ways
 

Chirpystheman

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My understanding of his image rights was it was his ex agent that in a way screwed him over as his old agent set up a company and bought his image rights. Effectively locking him in to him as an agent. He then changed agents and his new agent got him a deal with Adidas and his old agent/image right company had a deal with puma. Seems like it was a greedy agent trying to milk his client and advised him poorly for his own interest. Hence why it will probably end up in a legal battle as there could be a conflict on interest from his old agent. Hopefully he stays at Juve and it all gets sorted in time for Jan 1st and us to buy him.
 

spursfan77

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The image rights holder may not have a claim against Spurs or the PL in this scenario, but would have a claim against Dybala that he is in breach of their image rights agreement.

If that’s the case then I suspect the sticking point is how much we and how much juventus pay the player to remedy him against any claim by the rights holder or some such scenario.

Wouldn’t it be awesome if we suddenly, out of the blue, announced he was joining us in January.
 

spursfan77

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appreciate the explanation

this image rights issue gets down to the player's greed in my opinion, it wasn't necessary and its just another avenue for revenue raising on behalf of the player, now its come back to bite him on the arse as he's locked in now and it prevented his transfer when all parties had reached an agreement

he can't have it both ways

I think it’s either a tax dodge or these companies pay these young players the money early on in their careers when the players really need the money for something when they move to Europe from South America. If the player does amazing then the company is quids in, if they don’t then they don’t make any money. Don’t forget lots of these players when they move to Europe aren’t rolling in cash and they use these image rights deals (possibly naively) to help set themselves up. That’s what I read anyway, I don’t think it’s solely down to greed.
 

Spurslove

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Reading these excellent views, and speaking as one who has no background or particular interest in the machinations of how football runs itself, I have to say, it just brings it home to me that these days, there is so much money and there are so many people and organisations with so many diverse interests in getting their hands on as much of the available cash as they can, that ordinary folk like me tend to think football is now firmly in the grip of high end lawyers, agents, business consultants, and accountants.

I was just about to say football is well on the road to disappearing up it's own arse, but on second thoughts, I think it probably already did some time ago, and sad to say, there's no way back. You can't get the toothaste back in the tube. What it means for us poor mug punters in the medium to long term is anyone's guess.

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Japhet

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Reading these excellent views, and speaking as one who has no background or particular interest in the machinations of how football runs itself, I have to say, it just brings it home to me that these days, there is so much money and there are so many people and organisations with so many diverse interests in getting their hands on as much of the available cash as they can, that ordinary folk like me tend to think football is now firmly in the grip of high end lawyers, agents, business consultants, and accountants.

I was just about to say football is well on the road to disappearing up it's own arse, but on second thoughts, I think it probably already did some time ago, and sad to say, there's no way back. You can't get the toothaste back in the tube. What it means for us poor mug punters in the medium to long term is anyone's guess.

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It means rising prices whether you go to live games or pay for a TV subscription. Money has, to all intents and purposes, robbed many working class people of their sport and probably gobbles up a fair proportion of the average fans income. It's why I often don't understand the fans who say 'player X is worth 180k per week'. Don't they realize that they are the ones who are paying for it week in week out, and all the hangers on who come as part of the package?
 

yankspurs

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appreciate the explanation

this image rights issue gets down to the player's greed in my opinion, it wasn't necessary and its just another avenue for revenue raising on behalf of the player, now its come back to bite him on the arse as he's locked in now and it prevented his transfer when all parties had reached an agreement

he can't have it both ways

Image rights are safety net for a player from South America. They sell their image rights early in their career when just starting out as a just in case. A rainy day fund sort of thing.
 

Japhet

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appreciate the explanation

this image rights issue gets down to the player's greed in my opinion, it wasn't necessary and its just another avenue for revenue raising on behalf of the player, now its come back to bite him on the arse as he's locked in now and it prevented his transfer when all parties had reached an agreement

he can't have it both ways

It's only a problem in the UK. He can go anywhere else in Europe without image rights being a problem.
 

pelayo59

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Paris United said that PSG wants 140m + 2 of Coutinho, Dembele and Semedo. Now Coutinho is very close to Bayern and Barca doesn't want to sell rest. Looks like it's very possible that Neymar will stay at PSG :)
 

razor1981

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I see Le Parisien reported yesterday that Neymar may be carrying an injury that could potentially keep him out of action for several months. It was part of an interview with PSG's former head doctor, who left the club last month. Might throw another spanner in the works for a move this summer - Barca/Real may decide to wait until January rather than pay him half a million a week to sit in the physio's room for 5 months.
 

Spurslove

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Paris United said that PSG wants 140m + 2 of Coutinho, Dembele and Semedo. Now Coutinho is very close to Bayern and Barca doesn't want to sell rest. Looks like it's very possible that Neymar will stay at PSG :)

In all honesty, I arrived at the stage of not giving a shit about how much stupid money was being touted around football some time ago. Nobody out here in the real world, outside the bubble of football, can genuinely understand the sums of money frequently being spoken about, demanded and earned by this incredible gravy train, so I'm sure you'll forgive me for saying it, but I really don't give a shit what Neymar does or how much he earns, when some nurses and coppers are earning 1/10th in a year what some players earn in a week.

Sorry mate, it's not a pop at you, it's just me sounding off at the ridiculous situation football has gotten itself into, alienating itself entirely from the real world in which I live.

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werty

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hellava_tough

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Reading these excellent views, and speaking as one who has no background or particular interest in the machinations of how football runs itself, I have to say, it just brings it home to me that these days, there is so much money and there are so many people and organisations with so many diverse interests in getting their hands on as much of the available cash as they can, that ordinary folk like me tend to think football is now firmly in the grip of high end lawyers, agents, business consultants, and accountants.

I was just about to say football is well on the road to disappearing up it's own arse, but on second thoughts, I think it probably already did some time ago, and sad to say, there's no way back. You can't get the toothaste back in the tube. What it means for us poor mug punters in the medium to long term is anyone's guess.

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I think there's been a dodgy (and greedy) side to football for at least 30 or 40 years. If you go back in history there are plenty of managers taking bungs, gambling scandals, referees getting bribed, etc.

Of course the trouble nowadays is that the sums of money involved have multipled by 10 or 20 times (relatively speaking).

That said, I think players probably get treated better these days, for the simple reason that even if they get screwed on a deal, they still make so much money they never have to work again and can support their kids and grand kids for the rest of their lives.
 
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