Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

Misfit · Apr 28, 2024

Set piece deficiencies point to shite coaching. Plus man marking please, enough of this zonal guff. This is a recurring theme with the same exact points being made.

Analysing Celtic's set-piece struggles: Lack of aggression, zonal marking and Hart not commanding his six-yard box

Half of the goals that Celtic have conceded in the league this season have come from set pieces, and teams will be targeting their weakness

theathletic.com

Trix · Apr 28, 2024

funkycoldmedina said:
A bit of post defeat hyperbole. We were comfortably the better team in the 1st half, created chances and generally had them in the back foot. 2nd half was going nowhere till Raya's mistake then we were on top again.
All today really showed to me is that he has us on the right tracks but needs some players in key positions in during the summer., with the Hojbjerg one being key to stop teams getting at us so easily

Doesn't matter who he brings in. If he persists with this zonal marking bullshit we will continue to concede high numbers of goals from set pieces.

NickHSpurs · Apr 28, 2024

Calm the fuck down and remember the state of the squad before he joined.

He’s still forced to play bang average players when someone in our XI is injured or out of form.

The drop off from Udogie and Davies is absolutely huge. We’re forced to play Hojbjerg because Bissouma is so badly out of form and let’s be honest, Pierre ain’t good enough either.

If this is still happening after the summer then he deserves digging out.

Aside from our defending of set pieces I’m still willing to give him a pass for this season.

mil1lion · Apr 28, 2024

Thenewcat said:
The fact that we can’t defend a corner to save our lives isn’t down the quality of players. It’s down to poor coaching and nothing else

Disagree, it's poor from the players who let their runners go. You have to be intelligent at set pieces, if players disrupt the keeper then someone needs to step in. Nobody leads us in those situations. All the set piece coaching in the world is left aside once the whistle blows and then it's down to the players. The players look lost but top players take control.

philll · Apr 28, 2024

Thenewcat said:
I’m on his back about specific issues that are fixable and don’t need time. Decent set piece defending isn’t about personnel - plenty of teams with a fraction of our talent are good at it. It’s completely reasonable to be pissed off that that he hasn’t adequately addressed it

And set pieces are completely separate from an open play philosophy, there doesn't need to be any compromise to deal with them better. It really is unforgivable that we've been this bad at defending them for so long and nothing has been done about it.

spurs mental · Apr 28, 2024

NickHSpurs said:
Calm the fuck down and remember the state of the squad before he joined.

He’s still forced to play bang average players when someone in our XI is injured or out of form.

The drop off from Udogie and Davies is absolutely huge. We’re forced to play Hojbjerg because Bissouma is so badly out of form and let’s be honest, Pierre ain’t good enough either.

If this is still happening after the summer then he deserves digging out.

Aside from our defending of set pieces I’m still willing to give him a pass for this season.

He's not forced to play bang average players though is he?

He could pick some one from the youth set up, ready as they may be or not, and it would earn him so extra kudos and earn that young player some valuable game time and experience.

I don't know if we have that player in the youth teams to replace PEH or Bissouma, but he could pick someone other than Maddison or Son too, who have been equally awful.

Tucker · Apr 28, 2024

TOLBINY said:
Some suggestions;
He cannot see the problem ( I doubt it)
He is coaching the set pieces but the players are not competent enough to implement (possible)
He believes in the zonal system ( seems clear to me) and is giving the players time to master it (unlikely)
He is waiting until the end of the season to make changes to either the system or the defensive coach (most likely IMO)

This. The idea that he doesn’t recognise there’s an issue is laughable (despite what he might say to the press about it.)

There’s obviously a reason why he hasn’t changed it. And I’d suggest it’s the last option you wrote above.

He’s said a few times that this season is about embedding his ethos in the team, he’ll make tactical tweaks more often as we go forward next season I’m sure.

RuskyM · Apr 28, 2024

spurs mental said:
He's not forced to play bang average players though is he?

He could pick some one from the youth set up, ready as they may be or not, and it would earn him so extra kudos and earn that young player some valuable game time and experience.

I don't know if we have that player in the youth teams to replace PEH or Bissouma, but he could pick someone other than Maddison or Son too, who have been equally awful.

Sorry but the idea that any random youngster will be better than Bissouma, Hojbjerg, Maddison or Son is absurd. I want to see our youth too, but come on.

arunspurs · Apr 28, 2024

NickHSpurs said:
Calm the fuck down and remember the state of the squad before he joined.

He’s still forced to play bang average players when someone in our XI is injured or out of form.

The drop off from Udogie and Davies is absolutely huge. We’re forced to play Hojbjerg because Bissouma is so badly out of form and let’s be honest, Pierre ain’t good enough either.

If this is still happening after the summer then he deserves digging out.

Aside from our defending of set pieces I’m still willing to give him a pass for this season.

Willing to give him a pass is fine, but prefix that with 'Aside from defending of set pieces'....

We gave away 2 goals due to set piece defending. 3rd due to him asking defenders to play 1 v1 from half way line. Game was already gone by lack of organisation in set pieces.
Van De Ven had to make 4 super human sprints in 2nd half - Udogie is also going to suffer had he been not injured.

EQP · Apr 28, 2024

Yeah, I don't agree with Ange's view on set-piece coaches.

He recently stated that he doesn't like specialist coaches but really, why wouldn't he want someone who could help him win 12-15 points a season from set pieces?

It's not like it's going to profoundly change how he sets up his teams, it'll just be another weapon he can call upon to help us win games.

You hope at end of season he can take a holistic view on what his coaches bring to the table and also, opportunities to strengthen the obvious set piece deficiencies.

Wizzy77 · Apr 28, 2024

Misfit said:
Set piece deficiencies point to shite coaching. Plus man marking please, enough of this zonal guff. This is a recurring theme with the same exact points being made.

Analysing Celtic's set-piece struggles: Lack of aggression, zonal marking and Hart not commanding his six-yard box

Half of the goals that Celtic have conceded in the league this season have come from set pieces, and teams will be targeting their weakness

theathletic.com

This is worrying. If Ange doesn't learn from his system shortcoming and evolves, I don't see him surviving next season. No matter how loved he is.

yido_number1 · Apr 28, 2024

Biggest mistake he made today was that midfield. Hojbjerg starting is just a disaster waiting to happen. Can forgive other things but that was a tragic starting line up

spurs mental · Apr 28, 2024

RuskyM said:
Sorry but the idea that any random youngster will be better than Bissouma, Hojbjerg, Maddison or Son is absurd. I want to see our youth too, but come on.

I'm not suggesting that's the solution?

Just responding to the comment that he's forced to play bang average players. He's not.

Johnny J · Apr 28, 2024

spurs mental said:
He's not forced to play bang average players though is he?

He could pick some one from the youth set up, ready as they may be or not, and it would earn him so extra kudos and earn that young player some valuable game time and experience.

I don't know if we have that player in the youth teams to replace PEH or Bissouma, but he could pick someone other than Maddison or Son too, who have been equally awful.

If you throw in youth players and they fail badly it can really affect their development.

But we don't even need to do that anyway: he has other options that are a better fit for some positions.

Son simply is not and never will be a CF, but he keeps playing him there instead of Richi. Maddison has been awful since his injury, but he keeps playing him instead of GLC.

midoshairband · Apr 28, 2024

yes we can point to the set-piece weakness.

but there's a hell of a lot more wrong than just that.

Trix · Apr 28, 2024

mil1lion said:
Disagree, it's poor from the players who let their runners go. You have to be intelligent at set pieces, if players disrupt the keeper then someone needs to step in. Nobody leads us in those situations. All the set piece coaching in the world is left aside once the whistle blows and then it's down to the players. The players look lost but top players take control.

Sorry but you are so so wrong on this. There's a reason no other top teams defend with an all out zonal set up. It doesn't work, and this has been proven time and time again. We had a set piece coach under Conte and we were one of the best teams in the league on set pieces. You don't need to be a tactical genius to see this is happening by design and is not down to the players losing runners. They aren't picking them up in the first place FFS, let alone track them. They are set in a semi circle around the keeper and they hold that position throughout. That is by instruction, you can see this because it's the same every single time.

h2005 · Apr 28, 2024

Disappointing performance from him but I still think he’s our man. Plenty for him to work on but we have made progress.

arunspurs · Apr 28, 2024

This is extremely worrying comment...
If he cant see what we fans see or opponents see....this isnt going to end well

Tucker · Apr 28, 2024

yido_number1 said:
Biggest mistake he made today was that midfield. Hojbjerg starting is just a disaster waiting to happen. Can forgive other things but that was a tragic starting line up

Disagree that that is on him. Bissouma has been shite for months. Loads of us have been crying out for him to be dropped. You have to have someone there as the six.

spurs mental · Apr 28, 2024

Johnny J said:
If you throw in youth players and they fail badly it can really affect their development.

But we don't even need to do that anyway: he has other options that are a better fit for some positions.

Son simply is not and never will be a CF, but he keeps playing him there instead of Richi. Maddison has been awful since his injury, but he keeps playing him instead of GLC.

spurs mental said:
I'm not suggesting that's the solution?

Just responding to the comment that he's forced to play bang average players. He's not.

Agree 100% about Son and Madders

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