Next Manager Watch

sidford said:

You could well be right mate but I actually have a suspicion that the owners are making it look like they did a proper search etc unlike when they got potter no-one else was considered. I think it's optics on their part and that they will end up with Nagelsmann

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Agree with you there. Boehly must know how awful their decision making is being made to look at the moment. Making us look somewhat competent

Poch supposedly (still?) open to returning

The biggest challenge a new coach will have is getting the players onside.

Wasn't there an article saying some Chelsea players had to Google Potter which when considering they were playing in the same league is ridiculous but I'd imagine a complete unknown is facing an uphill battle to get their message across. You can be the best coach in the world which the players aren't listening then what's the point?

I know some in here like to knock the fanbase but the fans have nothing to do with any of this. They didn't make the players sit back on Monday .it's going to be down to the coach no matter who they are to get his message across to the players so that they try and implement it. After 3 or 4 years of negative shit football an attacking coach is going to have some serious work to do. But that's what the summer is for.

My worry with a Slot is that the Dutch league is so far off the radar are the players going to be like 'WHO??' I know nothing about him myself but he needs to have the charisma, confidence and communication skills to win the dressing room over quickly. And no please don't reply attacking the players, this is the same with every dressing room in top flight football. I'm sure part of our due diligence is seeing if we think he can do that though.

I'm just happy that there are so many good coaches around. It's almost like we can fail up in this search if that makes sense.

George94 said:

It'll be interesting to see what the board do this weekend if we're losing to Brighton and the majority of the stadium are chanting ENIC out whilst singing for Pochettino...

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My guess would be the sum total of fuck all, and fuck all.


Maybe - just maybe - they’ll send some carts loaded with bread onto the pitch at half time and have loaves thrown into the crowd…

Timberwolf said:

Yeah that's my fear with Slot - if he has a poor start the fans will be on his back quite quickly simply because his name isn't Pochettino.

But equally, the Poch-return stuff is getting so hyped up that he'll never come close to living up to the fans hopes if he does return. Love Poch, but the level of yearning for him to come back is getting a bit much, especially after the Everton game. It's not like if he returns we'll warp back to 2016 and everything will be fine again...

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Given the choice between inexperienced guys like Kompany / Slot I’d be more than happy with Poch. If Nagelsmen isn’t available bite the bullet and get Poch.

parj said:

Will be interesting to see if Slot can handle us or PL club. I think we need safe hands right now. Needs to be a PL experienced, manager. The time to experiment was after Poch when there was a good foundation to build on - it should have been ETH. Could be too much pressure given ETH is doing quite well at Man Utd and he will have to deal with prospect of Kane going.

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Only 3 out of the current top 10 in the prem had previous PL experience. Prem experience in itself is irrelevant, it's all about finding the right fit.

Only highlights I know but watch how Slot's AZ totally dismantled PSV

Beautiful football



Then watch his AZ team's rapid counter attacks vs Ajax.

rossdapep said:

Only highlights I know but watch how Slot's AZ totally dismantled PSV

Beautiful football



Then watch his AZ team's rapid counter attacks vs Ajax.

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sign us up

Oh Teddy Teddy said:

Would have been Ramos, not including interims (or whatever Sherwood was)..?

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kernowspurscoach1977 said:

I don’t want Poch back at all. Yes we have had our best moments with him in, in recent history but we were also so bad from the January before the champions league final right up to when he got sacked.
De Zerbi I am not sure - he went into a well recruited hard working team that had most/if not all of the tools At his disposal and he made a few tweaks and away they went. I’d like to see him in his 2nd full season before judgement is made.
From Brighton I would like their chief scout/talent spotters as they are superb.
Rogers no way
Potter not sure about - yes he failed at Chelsea but with the way the chairman was signing players (not squad requirements) was always going to be a failure and most would struggle.
I know it’s unrealistic but I would love someone like Nag - come in and look at a long term project of achieving success over the next 10 years. Slot I would be open to the same.
I don’t know enough about Gallado but what excited Me about that is tapping into the S American market with Simeon he knows it.
I think the biggest problem all bar a few clubs will now have is state funded money doping.
chelsea
Man Utd
City
Newcastle
No one else will have a chance in future years. Whatever anyone says about Enic, and any other properly run club, is, until the financial filing laws are tightened, we will all be blown out of the water.
If our structure now was like this back in the 90s we would have been put on a financial parity with manure.

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One of the main issues with Poch was the injuries and then loss of dembele who proved to be irreplaceable, if only we had him in the CL final, might changed the outcome

Albertbarich said:

The biggest challenge a new coach will have is getting the players onside.

Wasn't there an article saying some Chelsea players had to Google Potter which when considering they were playing in the same league is ridiculous but I'd imagine a complete unknown is facing an uphill battle to get their message across. You can be the best coach in the world which the players aren't listening then what's the point?

I know some in here like to knock the fanbase but the fans have nothing to do with any of this. They didn't make the players sit back on Monday .it's going to be down to the coach no matter who they are to get his message across to the players so that they try and implement it. After 3 or 4 years of negative shit football an attacking coach is going to have some serious work to do. But that's what the summer is for.

My worry with a Slot is that the Dutch league is so far off the radar are the players going to be like 'WHO??' I know nothing about him myself but he needs to have the charisma, confidence and communication skills to win the dressing room over quickly. And no please don't reply attacking the players, this is the same with every dressing room in top flight football. I'm sure part of our due diligence is seeing if we think he can do that though.

I'm just happy that there are so many good coaches around. It's almost like we can fail up in this search if that makes sense.

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I hear you on a lot of this, but for me, it comes down to one thing: Levy or a new DoF, whoever that be, has to communicate absolutely clearly to the players that the manager's word is final and that he will be backed over them. Then, it's irrelevant if they've heard of him or not.

Before all the global glitz of the EPL, teams never had this issue. The manager was the manager and that was that. I know players have more power now, but that's only because clubs have allowed it. Especially ours. IMHO, the players should have next to no contact with the board or CEO. The manager's wishes should be granted, regardless of players, so that means that he gets rid of who he wants and brings in who he wants, economics dependent.

Because the players at Spurs know that the board only care about top 4 and will side with the players, they're handed all the power, whether they abuse it consciously or subconsciously, we've all seen the pattern now, and it must change. If that's with Slot or Rodgers or Potter... it shouldn't matter. The new guy must 100% be given all the power so that the players have no choice but to listen (or get out).

Albertbarich said:

The biggest challenge a new coach will have is getting the players onside.

Wasn't there an article saying some Chelsea players had to Google Potter which when considering they were playing in the same league is ridiculous but I'd imagine a complete unknown is facing an uphill battle to get their message across. You can be the best coach in the world which the players aren't listening then what's the point?

I know some in here like to knock the fanbase but the fans have nothing to do with any of this. They didn't make the players sit back on Monday .it's going to be down to the coach no matter who they are to get his message across to the players so that they try and implement it. After 3 or 4 years of negative shit football an attacking coach is going to have some serious work to do. But that's what the summer is for.

My worry with a Slot is that the Dutch league is so far off the radar are the players going to be like 'WHO??' I know nothing about him myself but he needs to have the charisma, confidence and communication skills to win the dressing room over quickly. And no please don't reply attacking the players, this is the same with every dressing room in top flight football. I'm sure part of our due diligence is seeing if we think he can do that though.

I'm just happy that there are so many good coaches around. It's almost like we can fail up in this search if that makes sense.

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Players will roundly warm to new ideas if it's being much less pragmatic and much more expressive/enjoyable patterns of play.

Outside of the obvious in judging how Slot's teams play football, it'll be key how Slot comes across as a person - both to the board and forging a strong relationship with the players.

Yiddo100 said:

We could’ve had 2 months, if he doesn’t want to come what can we do?

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We've already interviewed him.... I managed to pick up the transcript and have posted it in below (sorry it's a bit long):

Levy: So Mr Nagelsmann, welcome to our wonderful training ground, I understand you're interested in managing Spurs.

Nagelsmann: Yes, it is a lovely training ground I must say. I could be interested yes, depending on various factors. So what do you have to offer?

Levy: Well we have a wonderful squad of players and a wonderful stadium and this wonderful training ground, don't you think it's amazing?

N: Yes, it's a lovely training ground. Now, this wonderful squad of players you talk about, who are they?

Levy: Well we've got Harry Kane, England and Tottenham's record goalscorer.

N: Great, one of the best players in the world, is he staying?

Levy: Well.... yes, if he signs a new contract before transfer deadline day.

N: And does he appear likely to sign a new contract before then?

Levy: Look at this wonderful training ground where you'll get to train our players. Did you know we've just agreed to put a formula 1 go-karting track under the stadium?.... Oh when the Spurs go-karting in.... Oh when the Spurs go-karting in....

N: Erm Yes.... So tell me about the transfer budget I have?

Levy: We'll give you £80 million this summer, plus the profit on any sales that we make from our first team squad.

N: Sounds decent enough and what players have the recruitment team identified so far to spend that £80m on?

Levy: Recruitment team?

N: Yes, you know the people at the club that have extensive knowledge of players all over the world. Probably a big team of people involving data scientists and scouts etc.

Levy: Oh you mean the Italian fella.... Paratici... The silly billy only went and got himself banned by FIFA didn't he? But not to worry I'm taking over his duties and I am the world's best haggler, did you know that I once got £1,000 off of Clinton N'Jie's transfer fee by waiting until 30 minutes before the transfer window closed and sending Jean-Michel Aulas a Spurs shirt (that I later invoiced him for)

N: You sound like a real smooth operator Mr Levy.... So, which signings have you started working on for this summer?

Levy: Well I've got a couple of really good players lined up that I'm sure you've heard of: Dejan Kulusevski and Pedro Porro.

N: Aren't those two players already at Tottenham?

Levy: Not exactly Mr Nagelsmann, they are on loan but we'll make them permanent this summer.

N: OK, anyone else identified.

Levy: Well there's a few more great players coming in as well: Ndombele, Lo Celso, Winks, Regulion, Rodon and Spence.

N: Aren't they also already players that Spurs own, with most of them already having failed here? Anyway who else?

Levy: Look at this great training ground.... Did I tell you that we have a sliding pitch and host at least 2 NFL games every year? I can get you a couple of tickets for a game if you want - GO JAGS!... DEFENCE!

N: So it appears that perhaps I can identify my own targets then, I don't mind that. I know lots of players in Germany in particular and £80m is a decent amount, I can probably get 2 or 3 good players for that money.

Levy: Ah.... There's a bit of a problem with that £80m.

N: and what's that?

Levy: Well it's already earmarked for Kulusevski and Porro.

N: Oh, what if I'd rather spend that money on different players?

Levy: Impossible I'm afraid we've got an obligation to sign them.

N: So I've actually got no transfer budget at all then?

Levy: You've got £80m Mr Nagelsmann.... Have you not been listening? Now tell me, have you been to our wonderful stadium yet?... It is top quality. We've got 5 Beyonce gigs to look forward to this summer (license pending) and the Red Hot Chilli Peppers too.

N: I prefer Kreftwerk but anyway... what is the target then for me in terms of achievement here at Spurs?

Levy: Win the 4th place trophy.

N: You mean finish in the top 4? OK, that seems a stretch target but I guess a fair stretch and what is the expectation?

Levy: That you will win the 4th place trophy every year.

N: That sounds like a very unrealistic expectation to me, especially with no transfer budget, what will happen if I achieve that goal and what happens if I fail to achieve it.

Levy: *mutters under breath: £80 million* Win the 4th place trophy and we'll pay you a bonus. Finish lower than 4th and you'll get the sack.

N: What about if I win an ACTUAL trophy.

Levy: You mean a trophy other than the 4th place trophy?

N: Yes, the FA Cup or the League Cup perhaps?

Levy: Well if you can do so and make it a double with the 4th place trophy then you will still get your agreed 4th place trophy bonus

N: What about if we have to sacrifice the league form to try to win a trophy

Levy: You'll get the sack, I'm not sure what part of winning the 4th place trophy you don't get Mr Nagelsmann.... Now when can you start the job? Any questions?

N: Yes, can you please order me a taxi to SW6 1HS?

Enrique is now odds on to be the new Chelsea boss.

AtoubaToothpaste said:

I hear you on a lot of this, but for me, it comes down to one thing: Levy or a new DoF, whoever that me, has to communicate absolutely clearly to the players that the manager's word is final and that he will be backed over them. Then, it's irrelevant if they've heard of him or not.

Before all the global glitz of the EPL, teams never had this issue. The manager was the manager and that was that. I know players have more power now, but that's only because clubs have allowed it. Especially ours. IMHO, the players should have next to no contact with the board or CEO. The manager's wishes should be granted, regardless of players, so that means that he gets rid of who he wants and brings in who he wants, economics dependent.

Because the players at Spurs know that the board only care about top 4 and will side with the players, they're handed all the power, whether they abuse it consciously or subconsciously, we've all seen the pattern now, and it must change. If that's with Slot or Rodgers or Potter... it shouldn't matter. The new guy must 100% be given all the power so that the players have no choice but to listen (or get out).

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I really don't see us as any different to any other club in this regard.

We have made the wrong appointments, made further mistakes alongside them appointments and it accentuates all our weakness', players included.

For example. Years and years Man United fans, players and anyone associated with the club preached patience , they were the standard bearer because they have stability. Absolute nonsense. They had stability and patience because their manager at the time was an all time great and was winning everything in sight.

The players we have arent awful in the sense that theyre trouble makers. I see them as standard spoilt premier League players, every club has a similar group. The difference is the coach. Let's not forget that both Jose and Conte burb everything around them when they leave a club and or don't get their way, it's standard stuff for them.

And what does give the coach the power even mean? Everywhere else is skint so we can't just get rid of players like we once could as much as I'd like to.

I keep saying it but get the next appointment right and 90% of these issues go away, Including the hatred of our players.

Guntz said:

Enrique is now odds on to be the new Chelsea boss.

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Only just from Evens.

It would certainly seem a two horse race between him and Nagelsmann and I guess it'll be down to who interviews better.

I think (and not ashamed to admit) hope that 62k fans chanting Poch name on Saturday will tip Levy over the edge and get the great man back.

He’ll have a hell of a task on his hands to get rid of all the deadwood (a few of which are of his making) but there isn’t a man who will have more credit in the bank with fans when the inevitable drop off comes as we look to find ourselves again especially once Kane leaves. The whole club is in need of coming together for a reset and for that it can only be one man for the job. I’d get him in now today. If Kane doesn’t like it then so be it, see you later Harry.

If Stellini goes with the same formation and tactics again this weekend, things could turn ugly very quickly. PEH and Skipp will be chasing shadows for 90 minutes.

I think we'll regret not going for Enrique, we need a likeable character like Jol/Poch to charm the fan base after what we've had to put up with recently.

rossdapep said:

Only highlights I know but watch how Slot's AZ totally dismantled PSV

Beautiful football



Then watch his AZ team's rapid counter attacks vs Ajax.

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problem with that is, haven't seen our players move like that with or without the ball. not sure how many are capable of it.

felmani26 said:

Only just from Evens.

It would certainly seem a two horse race between him and Nagelsmann and I guess it'll be down to who interviews better.

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Thought they wanted someone in asap, especially before Madrid 1st leg? If that's the case then it will likely be Enrique. Don't think Nagelsmann wants to start for anyone until the summer.