Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

Bluto Blutarsky · Mar 18, 2023

cjsimba said:
But in the next line he’s saying ‘why is that? Should that really be the fault of the owner and the managers, or actually the players’

A lot of players and managers in the last 20 years - only 1 owner...

wrd · Mar 18, 2023

I will never not be amazed at the inability for people to see that there is seldom ever only one cause of a problem.

The manager, board and players all have responsibility, all have been below standard, have all let themselves down. You can change one of the three entities and you will see temporary improvement but it is all the parts which are currently the problem. As always you should focus on the root.

If the manager doesn't fit then you question whose putting the jigsaw together. Doesn't mean he isn't a huge part of the problem, doesn't mean the players shouldn't be ashamed for constantly not showing any professional pride and playing within themselves.

If not of them are willing to change or adapt then they need to be changed themselves.

carpediem991 · Mar 18, 2023

yido_number1 said:
Poch wasn't wrong this is a painful fucking rebuild

Boring, he got Ndombele, Lo Celso, Sess and Clarke for his great rebuild. Basically a big point of our misery...

alfiemacdaddy · Mar 18, 2023

Ok, so clearly conte is gone at the end of his contract if not sooner.

I see todays post match pressers as the assessment of a consultant who has had had full access to the inner workings of the club for 18 months. And those assessments are damming. I no longer see him as our manager. He’s a caretaker, a consultant a stopgap. Therefore his opinions regarding the future are moot but his clinical assessment of our current (and previous) state is not. Clearly he has hugely contributed to the last 18 months but his assessment of the core entrenched issues at the club worry me the most.

we all know this shit is true but to hear an elite successful manager say in no uncertain terms this club is fucked and he can’t fix it is really really worrying.

Deleted member 27855 · Mar 18, 2023

Gilzean at the near post said:
To be fair, Conte has continued to play them when in a failing system alternatives were available

Who's the alternative for Dier? Our CB are atrocious. Outside of Romero they're all terrible.

H-SF · Mar 18, 2023

Got a feeling he’ll stay in bizarre circumstances until the end of the season.
Also - just on his press conference earlier. Whilst he didn’t attack the fans and most (including myself) agree with the sentiment of his comments I feel some of the things he said are a bit unsavoury considering the fans have been pretty unwavering in their support of him at games, I even heard ‘antoniooo’ chants today.

MR_BEN · Mar 18, 2023

felmani26 said:
Conte delivering some uncomfortable home truths for this club.

If you think the problem goes when Conte leaves you are very much mistaken!

One massive problem will be gone though - and that’s his negativity.

Having somebody with such a negative mindset as a manager and coach must be extremely difficult for the players, along with his tactics putting us under so much pressure.

We are much better off without him.

We won’t become title challengers - but we won’t be any worse than we currently are.

Trent Crimm · Mar 18, 2023

Gbspurs said:
If the rest of our back 3 had half the ability and passion of Cuti we wouldn't be in this situation. He is elite clearly and if we don't improve we will lose him and then watch him go on to win shit loads ala Modric

Your only elite when your on the pitch. Elite and suspended is no help to anyone

Johnny J · Mar 18, 2023

wrd said:
I will never not be amazed at the inability for people to see that there is seldom ever only one cause of a problem.

The manager, board and players all have responsibility, all have been below standard, have all let themselves down. You can change one of the three entities and you will see temporary improvement but it is all the parts which are currently the problem. As always you should focus on the root.

If the manager doesn't fit then you question whose putting the jigsaw together. Doesn't mean he isn't a huge part of the problem, doesn't mean the players shouldn't be ashamed for constantly not showing any professional pride and playing within themselves.

If not of them are willing to change or adapt then they need to be changed themselves.

Right. And the fact that we apparently went from ETH to Fonseca to Gattuso to Conte to Nuno and back to Conte shows whoever's making these decisions really doesn't have a proper long term strategy based on our club's values.

Reece_Spurs · Mar 18, 2023

Feeling rather dull right now, not angry, not annoyed, just meh.

Conte saying it how it is, he's not been perfect but he's been backed into a corner and is now saying shit we all already knew.

Players aren't good enough, don't care enough, don't put in the right effort. Facts we know that. Conte is probably the most passionate manager out their right now so if he can't fire them up, much like previous managers, maybe Conte isn't the problem?

Again, how many managers are we going to go through until we realise its not the manager thats the issue?

Sick to death of all of this tbh.

Trix · Mar 18, 2023

TheVoiceofReason said:
I would say Trix has historically been objective about Levy until this season, and often vocal about what Levy has brought to the club. I'm not trying to act like an ITK brown-nose but tbh his past comments give context and weight to what he is communicating to us now.

Everybody was in full agreement in the window that Conte NEEDED to be backed by Levy. WHY are we so surprised Conte's football isn't working now?

I backed and defended him for 18+ years, I then witnessed quite closely the aftermath of what followed sacking Jose 6 days before a cup final. I then backed him again when he appointed FP and Conte and said he was stepping back on the football decisions, and I then had a birdseye view of him buying Djed Spence despite Conte not wanting him, and he did exactly the same in the following window with Danjuma.

Despite all this(plus other bits) I still defend him to this day when people criticise the length of time or money that was spent on the stadium and training facilities because quite frankly they are the envy of every club in Europe. I'd go as far as to say I've been both highly critical and also given him masses amounts of praise. I couldn't be more objective imo.

Chips · Mar 18, 2023

I think he should go as he doesn’t suit the club but he can’t be blamed for the gutless performance today. We are full of internationals who should know how to see a game out, whatever you think of certain individuals they are all experienced pros

spurs9 · Mar 18, 2023

Trix said:
Past caring mate. I'll only be saying the same things in 12 months. Until some of you wake up and realise it doesn't matter who the manager is, we will keep going round in circles.

I don't know how fans can see the difference between Santini and Jol, Ramos and Redknapp, AVB/Sherwood and Poch and still say "it doesn't matter who the manager is".

parj · Mar 18, 2023

carpediem991 said:
Boring, he got Ndombele, Lo Celso, Sess and Clarke for his great rebuild. Basically a big point of our misery..

What misery? Poch got 3 months with them yet we are getting it takes players months to get into Conte way of playing. Remember, Poch said we need to be rebuild. He saw it first hand and was ignored. He got 3 players plus Clarke, Conte got Bents, Kulu, Perisic, Romero, Porro, Richy. And he still needs way more for us to be considered "brave"

Poch had a declining Dele, lost Dembele, and uninterested Eriksen, and 3 windows of no signings

chas vs dave · Mar 18, 2023

THOWIG said:
He’s told the truth

If he was being totally t

wrd said:
I will never not be amazed at the inability for people to see that there is seldom ever only one cause of a problem.

The manager, board and players all have responsibility, all have been below standard, have all let themselves down. You can change one of the three entities and you will see temporary improvement but it is all the parts which are currently the problem. As always you should focus on the root.

If the manager doesn't fit then you question whose putting the jigsaw together. Doesn't mean he isn't a huge part of the problem, doesn't mean the players shouldn't be ashamed for constantly not showing any professional pride and playing within themselves.

If not of them are willing to change or adapt then they need to be changed themselves.

100%. Change is needed in all aspects.

parj · Mar 18, 2023

Trix said:
I've already said my piece on that already. I don't think they understand elite managers require elite players. It's my view Levy and the rest of the anthill mob were hoping an elite manager would get more out of the deadwood and journeymen and they can't.

Levy logic..... spend 15 mil a season on a manager spend half the required amount on the squad.

Elite managers adapt. Conte can't adapt. Conte needs to spend and sign very specific players to achieve his goal. He still fcuked up Chelsea in the second season. No different to here

RuskyM · Mar 18, 2023

Whazam said:
- How can you say it's the same no matter the manager and that history has repeated itself for 20 years when we've clearly improved under Jol, Redknapp, and Porch? (They managed to get the players to play as a team, wich is one of the important aspects of your job.)

This is a tremendous point, in a bang on post. If you’ve taken this club as far as you can, you can say you’re being held back. Poch earned that right. Harry took us from the bottom to challenging at the top. BMJ the same. Any of them would’ve been more justified, and not come across as someone trying to divert blame.

CookieYiddo · Mar 18, 2023

To quote some old racist prick from AFTV …it’s time to go

mill · Mar 18, 2023

JSpurs1 said:
Bit off topic but think you’re going a bit early on the elite shout. When he plays well, he looks brilliant but he’s a walking yellow card which blunts his best qualities. Elite defenders don’t get 10 yellows a season. Cuti has the same number of cards in the PL as VVD and played 41 games (vs 218 for VVD).

Ramos and puyol got plenty of cards and won everything

Gbspurs · Mar 18, 2023

Trent Crimm said:
Your only elite when your on the pitch. Elite and suspended is no help to anyone

Depends on your definition.

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