Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

-Afri-Coy- · Mar 10, 2023

Styopa said:
For example:

He’s saying that the club and fans need to taper their expectations to their reality and he’s not going to kill himself trying to convince us of that.

And as soon as we have a new manager in place we’ll find out how true that is.

JM said similar things after being sacked and guess what? He wasn’t wrong was he.

As annoying as this may sound, he has nothing to prove to any of us. He’s been paid to do a job and he hasn’t done a good job but he’s still achieved things doing exactly what he’s done here before and he’ll definitely achieve things with the same methods again.

Just be glad it’ll be over soon and don’t pay it much mind.

robotsonic · Mar 10, 2023

I'm not sure who's press conferences I hated more, Poch's cryptics, Jose's, or these miserable ones.

fishhhandaricecake · Mar 10, 2023

-Afri-Coy- said:
He’s saying that the club and fans need to taper their expectations to their reality and he’s not going to kill himself trying to convince us of that.

And as soon as we have a new manager in place we’ll find out how true that is.

JM said similar things after being sacked and guess what? He wasn’t wrong was he.

Well I think Conte going out of cup with a whimper to N.Forrest, Sheff Utd and a poor AC Milan team as well as our general style of play and the fact many of us struggle to identify and players conte has improved I’d say we could expect better from 2x £15mil a year mangers yes.

fishhhandaricecake · Mar 10, 2023

robotsonic said:
I'm not sure whose press conferences I hated more, Poch's cryptics, Jose's, or these miserable ones.

I think conte’s followed by Jose’s then Poch’s annoying cryptics towards the end.

-Afri-Coy- · Mar 10, 2023

fishhhandaricecake said:
Well I think Conte going out of cup with a whimper to N.Forrest, Sheff Utd and a poor AC Milan team as well as our general style of play and the fact many of us struggle to identify and players conte has improved I’d say we could expect better from 2x £15mil a year mangers yes.

Why don’t you throw some of those expectations at the players? They’re the ones who have to play the 90 mins. It has to be an even responsibility regardless of how much anyone is getting paid.

jimbo · Mar 10, 2023

Hypothetical question just because it's different from the repeated stuff:

If Mourinho was in charge of our current squad, would he be doing better or worse than Conte?

With the additions of Romero, Bentancur, Kulusevski, Bissouma, Royal even - I wonder if we wouldn't be at least about the same if not a bit better.

And to clarify, I am absolutely NOT suggesting I want him back or anyone like him in style of play.

fishhhandaricecake · Mar 10, 2023

The club needs a lift and a manager who is more positive and upbeat like Poch was and Jol and Redknapp were.

Nuno, Jose and Conte all just feed into a cycle of negativity on and off the pitch.

max cady · Mar 10, 2023

I find with Conte if he makes the same mistake twice/three/four times, the second time he makes it, it is no longer a mistake, it is a choice. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results, is called insanity. In his presser he said "I'm not stupid to kill myself". One mistake will never kill you. The same mistake over and over again will.

onthetwo · Mar 10, 2023

Styopa said:
For example:

The club may know his ideas BUT the fans are in the dark!

IamSpurtacus · Mar 10, 2023

Spursfan1414 said:
He didn't become crap, he's just been forced to do things he's crap at all season.

It's not like we're playing constant through balls for him and he's getting outpaced by random CBs is it? Or that we keep putting chances on plates and he's missing them?

Ask Son to do what he's good at and he's still a brilliant player.

He keeps falling over his feet, mis placing passes and his crossing has been bad

He's scored some good goals but there's something wrong with his basics this year that isn't about the role he's being asked to play

fishhhandaricecake · Mar 10, 2023

jimbo said:
Hypothetical question just because it's different from the repeated stuff:

If Mourinho was in charge of our current squad, would he be doing better or worse than Conte?

With the additions of Romero, Bentancur, Kulusevski, Bissouma, Royal even - I wonder if we wouldn't be at least about the same if not a bit better.

And to clarify, I am absolutely NOT suggesting I want him back or anyone like him in style of play.

I was actually think that the other day mate, I’m starting to think he could possibly be doing about the same really but maybe slightly worse in the league say 5th and maybe we’d have got to another cup final this season.

Conte has never been a cup manager, he did win the FA cup with a very strong chelsea squad and EL final with very strong inter squad but otherwise his CL record for example is really poor.

Meercat · Mar 10, 2023

What no one seems to pull him up on is that he's 18 months into his tenure, and we've endured a number of humiliations in that time, be it Mura, or Sheffield, be it being battered by the local rivals home and away, etc. His longest ever stint as a manager is 151 games at Juventus, his last three stints have run 106 and 102, ignoring his time as Italian manager... he's on 74 games with us, so by any reasonable measure he's half way into the longest he's ever ever spent at a club, and he's three quarters of the way int the time he's spent at Milan and Chelsea... at 3/4 of the way in we ought to be seeing SIGNS... there should be shoots of more than just the odd glimmer of his philosophies and ideas. To cry patience when his contract runs out in 15 games, is laughable. That takes us to 89 games. He needs 5 wins out of those to say he did a better job with us than Jose over his full tenure, as Jose only lasted 86. We can all try and play Mystic Meg and guess what might have been if Jose had stayed and was up on 170 games with us now - better or worse - but the one thing we don't need to be a psychic to see is that the team going out on the pitch is lacking an identity and philosophy.

We've brought in Richarlison, Lenglet, Danjuma, Spence, Bissouma, Porro, Bentancur, Kulusevski, Perisic and Foster, and seen Sarr and Bryan join up and Romero made permanent... that's almost half of a squad... under his watch. We shipped out Bryan and Spence pretty sharpish, and we aren't including Udogie who is yet to join up. it seems ludicrous to be levelling the 'Spurs players are soft' argument, when these are not the players Mourinho was trying to get to toughen up. Then you have to look at Paratici and recruitment if we are still buying players who lack the stomach for a fight.

And regardless of that, an Elite Manager (tm) ought to be able to improve the players at his disposal to the point that we the fans can see from the stands what is being worked on, and how close it is to clicking into place now... not watching one of our coaches shrug to our current captain 'no fucking clue mate...' on the touchline.

So no, he doesn't get a pass from me. And that doesn't mean I'm all gung-ho for Levy, either. He's got a buttload of faults, but he brought in someone who he genuinely believed would take us to the next level in terms of silverware not once, but twice, in Jose and Conte, trusting them to work with what we had AND over a few windows bring in more that worked for them. 18 months in, I'd say we are in worse shape than when we fired Jose, and that hurts. Levy isn't faultless. But a huge sodding heap of this shit lands on Conte's doorstep. And for him to keep deflecting, sloping his shoulders and gaslighting us as fans is so much bs.

jimbo · Mar 10, 2023

max cady said:
I find with Conte if he makes the same mistake twice/three/four times, the second time he makes it, it is no longer a mistake, it is a choice. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results, is called insanity. In his presser he said "I'm not stupid to kill myself". One mistake will never kill you. The same mistake over and over again will.

Unless the one mistake is to attempt coitus with a polar bear.

JUSTINSIGNAL · Mar 10, 2023

-Afri-Coy- said:
Even if his time here is up he’s not wrong in the fact that the fans and the club need time and patience before we are competitive at the top. There’s literally no denying that so I have no idea why everyone keeps losing their minds when he says it? We all know it’s true.

That’s like being told by your new ex-gf that you’re out of shape and need to put some effort into yourself and getting mad about it even though you’re fat and you know what she’s saying is true.

Letting what he says now make you angry is just silly IMO. He’s gone anyway. There’s no chance he’ll be staying. So just take a breather and don’t pay attention to the pressers until he’s gone. No one should give a fuck about what he has to say.

Exactly. The way our fanbase latch onto something and from then on nothing that person says or does is right in anyway is fucking idiotic. Zero critical thinking or balance involved. Just moan moan moan, whinge whinge whinge. It's been happening to Levy for a while but now it's Conte.

It's just confirms to me that a lot of fans default position on being a supporter is to moan and whinge. Because there is literally no point in crying about Conte's comments. He's leaving the football club at the end of the season, if not before. He's tried his best and it hasn't worked. He's not trying to purposely antagonise anyone. You'll probably even find he's more pissed off with himself than anyone that hasn't worked out.

cliff jones · Mar 10, 2023

at this rate it’s gonna feel more like a funeral over there tomorrow

But in the end he is likely to die because we always have to have three CBs on the pitch even if they are sht and only 3 attacking players

jimbo · Mar 10, 2023

fishhhandaricecake said:
I was actually think that the other day mate, I’m starting to think he could possibly be doing about the same really but maybe slightly worse in the league say 5th and maybe we’d have got to another cup final this season.

Conte has never been a cup manager, he did win the FA cup with a very strong chelsea squad and EL final with very strong inter squad but otherwise his CL record for example is really poor.

The one thing I would say is that I doubt Jose would have allowed such a limp performance at home against Arsenal, "you have to wear the skin of a fan" and all that. Doesn't mean the result would have been different mind you, but I reckon there would likely have been a bit more fight.

fishhhandaricecake · Mar 10, 2023

JUSTINSIGNAL said:
Exactly. The way our fanbase latch onto something and from then on nothing that person says or does is right in anyway is fucking idiotic. Zero critical thinking or balance involved. Just moan moan moan, whinge whinge whinge. It's been happening to Levy for a while but now it's Conte.

It's just confirms to me that a lot of fans default position on being a supporter is to moan and whinge. Because there is literally no point in crying about Conte's comments. He's leaving the football club at the end of the season, if not before. He's tried his best and it hasn't worked. He's not trying to purposely antagonise anyone. You'll probably even find he's more pissed off than anyone it hasn't worked out.

Harsh on our fans who’ve put up with shit football for 3 years and highest prices in the league for many years with no glory to show for it.

Fans well within their rights to ‘moan’ until better positive change has been made.

fishhhandaricecake · Mar 10, 2023

Meercat said:
What no one seems to pull him up on is that he's 18 months into his tenure, and we've endured a number of humiliations in that time, be it Mura, or Sheffield, be it being battered by the local rivals home and away, etc. His longest ever stint as a manager is 151 games at Juventus, his last three stints have run 106 and 102, ignoring his time as Italian manager... he's on 74 games with us, so by any reasonable measure he's half way into the longest he's ever ever spent at a club, and he's three quarters of the way int the time he's spent at Milan and Chelsea... at 3/4 of the way in we ought to be seeing SIGNS... there should be shoots of more than just the odd glimmer of his philosophies and ideas. To cry patience when his contract runs out in 15 games, is laughable. That takes us to 89 games. He needs 5 wins out of those to say he did a better job with us than Jose over his full tenure, as Jose only lasted 86. We can all try and play Mystic Meg and guess what might have been if Jose had stayed and was up on 170 games with us now - better or worse - but the one thing we don't need to be a psychic to see is that the team going out on the pitch is lacking an identity and philosophy.

We've brought in Richarlison, Lenglet, Danjuma, Spence, Bissouma, Porro, Bentancur, Kulusevski, Perisic and Foster, and seen Sarr and Bryan join up and Romero made permanent... that's almost half of a squad... under his watch. We shipped out Bryan and Spence pretty sharpish, and we aren't including Udogie who is yet to join up. it seems ludicrous to be levelling the 'Spurs players are soft' argument, when these are not the players Mourinho was trying to get to toughen up. Then you have to look at Paratici and recruitment if we are still buying players who lack the stomach for a fight.

And regardless of that, an Elite Manager (tm) ought to be able to improve the players at his disposal to the point that we the fans can see from the stands what is being worked on, and how close it is to clicking into place now... not watching one of our coaches shrug to our current captain 'no fucking clue mate...' on the touchline.

So no, he doesn't get a pass from me. And that doesn't mean I'm all gung-ho for Levy, either. He's got a buttload of faults, but he brought in someone who he genuinely believed would take us to the next level in terms of silverware not once, but twice, in Jose and Conte, trusting them to work with what we had AND over a few windows bring in more that worked for them. 18 months in, I'd say we are in worse shape than when we fired Jose, and that hurts. Levy isn't faultless. But a huge sodding heap of this shit lands on Conte's doorstep. And for him to keep deflecting, sloping his shoulders and gaslighting us as fans is so much bs.

Such a good post

mil1lion · Mar 10, 2023

jimbo said:
Hypothetical question just because it's different from the repeated stuff:

If Mourinho was in charge of our current squad, would he be doing better or worse than Conte?

With the additions of Romero, Bentancur, Kulusevski, Bissouma, Royal even - I wonder if we wouldn't be at least about the same if not a bit better.

And to clarify, I am absolutely NOT suggesting I want him back or anyone like him in style of play.

I think Jose would have the same issues because he relies on a solid defence and doesn't develop young players. The only chance we have to do better is to get a manager who can improve young players like Poch did early in his career for us. Play to our attacking strengths and by being on the front foot the fans will also pick up which will rub off on the players. We need that feel good vibe around the club again. Neither Conte or Jose are managers to do that.

ilikeost · Mar 10, 2023

Guys, please! We need time and patience in order to beat Sheffield United! It will take years to get to that point!

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