Nicolò Zaniolo

Bluto Blutarsky · Jul 28, 2022

My guess - If a deal can be done, it will be concluded on Saturday, Medical will be scheduled for Monday/Tuesday. Deal will be announced on Wednesday.

If the parties are still too far apart - we will move on after this weekend - imo

daryl hannah · Jul 28, 2022

It’s funny. When Conte said he wanted “a 10” I was imagining someone who could ping accurate balls about and playmake like Eriksen used to. I’ve been missing watching Eriksen. Zaniolo looks like much more of a dribbler to break lines who often lays the ball off to the side and I think my expectations of what a “10” should look like and do may well not be what Conte has in mind - but then why look at Maddison and paqueta?

Trying to keep an open mind…

JUSTINSIGNAL · Jul 28, 2022

daryl hannah said:
It’s funny. When Conte said he wanted “a 10” I was imagining someone who could ping accurate balls about and playmake like Eriksen used to. I’ve been missing watching Eriksen. Zaniolo looks like much more of a dribbler to break lines who often lays the ball off to the side and I think my expectations of what a “10” should look like and do may well not be what Conte has in mind - but then why look at Maddison and paqueta?

Trying to keep an open mind…

Tbf he’s often referred to the wide forwards as ‘10s’ as well so he clearly has his own definition which differs from many.

JerryGarcia · Jul 28, 2022

According to his Wikipedia Inter have a 15% sell on clause. If it’s still active I wonder if Levy will figure out a way to avoid any funds going to Inter and helping their cause? ?

fishhhandaricecake · Jul 28, 2022

philip said:
I don't get why we want Zaniolo. In Bissouma, Hojberg, Bentacur, Skipp (even if we loan/sell NDombele, Winks and Sarr) we've got 2 options for each of our two CM positions.

In Son, Moura, Richarlison, Kulusevski, Gil (and Perisic) we have plenty of options for the two wide forward positions.

What we're lacking is a link man, an Erikson position so we can stick with Kane up top and still have Son as an alternative forward - ie not have to rely on both Kane & Son through the centre.

Zaniolo is not that player!

For point 1. Zaniolo is not a CM, he’s nothing like PEH, Bentancur, Skipp and Bissouma.

For point 2. Conte doesn’t think Gil isn’t good enough yet and he is trying Lucas at RWB as he’s not quite cutting the mustard as a RWF option , he’d be our 6th choice at best. Perisic is primarily going to play LWB, if you move him to the front 3 that weakens us overall as he’s a world class LWB.

Therefore that leaves us with : Kane, Son, Kulu, Richarlison for the front 3 places, Lucas at a push as a 6th choice. Zaniolo would come in as 5th choice or joint 4th with Richarlison to give us much needed quality depth in the attacking positions.

I do agree we could do with an Eriksen like link player to help us break down deep blocks and so we have the option to switch to 3-5-2 but who’s says we wouldn’t be going for Zaniolo AND a linking type CM/CAM e.g. Maddison/Pacqueta and/or Conte doesn’t feel the need for one as for example Kulu could play as a CAM in a 3-5-2 if needed.

Hope that helps explain a bit more what the likely picture conte is seeing.

alpha · Jul 28, 2022

daryl hannah said:
It’s funny. When Conte said he wanted “a 10” I was imagining someone who could ping accurate balls about and playmake like Eriksen used to. I’ve been missing watching Eriksen. Zaniolo looks like much more of a dribbler to break lines who often lays the ball off to the side and I think my expectations of what a “10” should look like and do may well not be what Conte has in mind - but then why look at Maddison and paqueta?

Trying to keep an open mind…

Think many echo this. I have started to wonder if we manage to secure Zaniolo, whether we'll still go after Paqueta or Maddison.

Yid-ol · Jul 28, 2022

JerryGarcia said:
According to his Wikipedia Inter have a 15% sell on clause. If it’s still active I wonder if Levy will figure out a way to avoid any funds going to Inter and helping their cause? ?

So a loan for a season for 90% of the fee, and then the other 10% to buy at the end of the season :cautious:

Bluto Blutarsky · Jul 28, 2022

alpha said:
Think many echo this. I have started to wonder if we manage to secure Zaniolo, whether we'll still go after Paqueta or Maddison.

I'd say its very unlikely we would target another attacking player if we can get Zaniolo across the line.

We are probably only looking at a CB.

fishhhandaricecake · Jul 28, 2022

JUSTINSIGNAL said:
Tbf he’s often referred to the wide forwards as ‘10s’ as well so he clearly has his own definition which differs from many.

Yep, very confusing indeed as you say he often refers to the wide forwards as ‘10s’ , he might refer to an Eriksen, Pacqueta, Maddison type as more of a ‘Trequartista’ = Essentially, a trequartista is a playmaker who operates behind the front line but in front of the midfield. Literally translated from Italian, it means 'three quarters'. A typical trequartista will possess great creativity and agility, as well as boasting an envious passing range, ball control and eye for goal.

He could also refer to them (moreso Eriksen and likes of Barella, Fabregas etc) as ‘Regista’ = he regista is a creative player who operates in front of the defence, almost always in a central position, and looks to get on the ball as often as possible. They are responsible for providing the link between defence and attack, and controlling the tempo of the game through their passing.

And then you also have a ‘Mezzala’ = A mezzala is a wide central-midfield player in a trio or diamond, playing outside and ahead of a single, deeper midfielder. This role is usually reserved for a creative, mobile player who is given licence to get forward and support attacks, but still has plenty of defensive responsibility.

Zaniolo is in contes world a RWF/‘10’ basically a tucked inside wide forward.

spids · Jul 28, 2022

daryl hannah said:
It’s funny. When Conte said he wanted “a 10” I was imagining someone who could ping accurate balls about and playmake like Eriksen used to. I’ve been missing watching Eriksen. Zaniolo looks like much more of a dribbler to break lines who often lays the ball off to the side and I think my expectations of what a “10” should look like and do may well not be what Conte has in mind - but then why look at Maddison and paqueta?

Trying to keep an open mind…

I just think we will be playing 3-4-3 at all times under Conte, with 2 players for every position (apart from Richarlison being competition for both Kane and Son, and the stockpiling of RWBs). And those wanting a play maker #10 (Maddison / Eriksen mould) will be disappointed, and that is reflected in our interest in Zaniolo.

Lloris/Forster

Romero/Sanchez -- Dier/Rodon -- Davies/Lenglet

Spence/Doherty/Moura/Royal -- Højbjerg/Bissouma -- Bentancur/Skipp -- Perisic/Sess

Kulusevski/Zaniolo -- Kane / Richarlison -- Son/Richarlison

It also makes the decision to keep extend Moura and convert him into a RWB seem more strange. I personally would offload Moura and Emerson to boost funds for a world class CB.

fishhhandaricecake · Jul 28, 2022

alpha said:
Think many echo this. I have started to wonder if we manage to secure Zaniolo, whether we'll still go after Paqueta or Maddison.

If we have the money and Conte sees that role as valuable as part of his wider plan/vision then I think we absolutely would.

Id be surprised if he didn’t want a player like this because he’s always had one typically to give him the versatility to play 3-5-2 and unlock teams centrally when needed.
E.g. Barella/Eriksen at Inter
E.g. Fabregas at Chelsea

DodgyLasagne · Jul 28, 2022

fishhhandaricecake said:
Id be surprised if he didn’t want a player like this because he’s always had one typically to give him the versatility to play 3-5-2 and unlock teams centrally when needed.
E.g. Barella/Eriksen at Inter
E.g. Fabregas at Chelsea

It’s possible that he sees Kulusevski as that player.

Bluto Blutarsky · Jul 28, 2022

spids said:
It also makes the decision to keep extend Moura and convert him into a RWB seem more strange.

I don't find it strange - at all. And, he is not being "converted" into a RWB. He is being converted into a Bench Player who can play multiple roles depending on the situation.

One of those roles will be RWB. Other roles will be in the Forward line, right or left wings.

Lucas is a great squad option because he can play many roles for us.

Hazelton · Jul 28, 2022

Chello90 said:
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From Enrico Camelio who is apparently very reliable for Roma

"Before the friendly between Roma and Tottenham there will be no negotiations between the two clubs and no medical examination scheduled in London"

I assume he's responding to a rumour about a medical but no idea where that originated.

I hope it's him responding to a rumour, otherwise I've wasted my potential ITK career because even I could say who isn't joining who. For example Maradona won't be having a medical at Portsmouth this summer. I can also confirm that Lionel Messi will definitely not be signing for Accrington Stanley. Here we don't go.

fishhhandaricecake · Jul 28, 2022

DodgyLasagne said:
It’s possible that he sees Kulusevski as that player.

Possibly mate , he’d for sure be the closest thing we have yep, although he’s more a CAM whereas he’s had players for Italy, Inter and Chelsea before who were slightly deeper like Barella and Fabregas and Eriksen.

But I’m splitting hairs.

I mean if the budget is there then I think if we could get Zaniolo, Pacqueta and a top class CB our squad would be right up there about as close as you can get to City and Liverpool’s imo, 2/3 of those seems very realistic but 3/3 would probably rely on us selling a lot of the players not in contes plans otherwise at some point we will run out of budget.

Pimpa · Jul 28, 2022

DodgyLasagne said:
It’s possible that he sees Kulusevski as that player.

Interesting u say that because conte wanted kulu instead of eriksen at inter and was not happy he lost out to juve. Apparently eriksen was the boards decision and not contes.

Bluto Blutarsky · Jul 28, 2022

fishhhandaricecake said:
Possibly mate , he’d for sure be the closest thing we have yep, although he’s more a CAM whereas he’s had players for Italy, Inter and Chelsea before who were slightly deeper like Barella and Fabregas and Eriksen.

But I’m splitting hairs.

I mean if the budget is there then I think if we could get Zaniolo, Pacqueta and a top class CB our squad would be right up there about as close as you can get to City and Liverpool’s imo, 2/3 of those seems very realistic but 3/3 would probably rely on us selling a lot of the players not in contes plans otherwise at some point we will run out of budget.

I would not discount Hojbjerg as a more creative player, imo. In our set-up, he has typically been the better of the defensive options at CM, but if you pair him with Bissouma - I think you would find that Hojbjerg could be a more attacking/creative player. He plays a more advanced role for Denmark, and could do so here also.

Pochemon94 · Jul 28, 2022

JerryGarcia said:
According to his Wikipedia Inter have a 15% sell on clause. If it’s still active I wonder if Levy will figure out a way to avoid any funds going to Inter and helping their cause? ?

We would most likely do the same as lo celso, high loan fee (20mil) and low obligation 15-20. Numbers will obviously be different but yeah

brasil_spur · Jul 28, 2022

daryl hannah said:
It’s funny. When Conte said he wanted “a 10” I was imagining someone who could ping accurate balls about and playmake like Eriksen used to. I’ve been missing watching Eriksen. Zaniolo looks like much more of a dribbler to break lines who often lays the ball off to the side and I think my expectations of what a “10” should look like and do may well not be what Conte has in mind - but then why look at Maddison and paqueta?

Trying to keep an open mind…

Maddison is a client of CAA Base which likely has something to do with it, plus he’s homegrown.

I’m not sure there’s even been anything very solid about Paqueta, beyond the fact that Levy has a good relationship with Aulas.

DodgyLasagne · Jul 28, 2022

JerryGarcia said:
According to his Wikipedia Inter have a 15% sell on clause. If it’s still active I wonder if Levy will figure out a way to avoid any funds going to Inter and helping their cause? ?

There have been some rumours about Jose wanting Rodon as well, obviously those seem to have petered out but point is there are ways to avoid paying full sell-on fees with loans, player swaps, creative accounting and the like.

Usually I wouldn’t want us conducting business this way, it isn’t a good look, but considering it’s the absolute bellends over at Inter, hope we announce a €39 million loan fee and a €1 million obligation to buy just to fuck with them lol.

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