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Beni · Jan 13, 2021

bubble07 said:
Just seen a stat that we have only conceding 3 goals in open play. They can't be true

Its actually 4 in open play, but dubious whether you count Salahs big deflected shoot against Liverpool as an Own Goal or Open Play.

v Everton - Set Piece (1)
v Southampton - Pen (1), Open Play (1)
v Newcastle - Pen (1)
v Man U - Pen (1)
v West Ham - Set Piece (1), Own Goal (1), Open Play (1)
v Brighton - Open Play (1)
v Crystal P - Set Piece (1)
v Liverpool - Open Play (1), Set Piece (1)
v Leicester - Pen (1), Own Goal (1)
v Wolves - Set Piece (1)

Montalbano · Jan 13, 2021

Beni said:
v Everton - Set Piece (1)
v Southampton - Pen (1), Open Play (1)
v Newcastle - Pen (1)
v Man U - Pen (1)
v West Ham - Set Piece (1), Own Goal (1), Open Play (1)
v Brighton - Open Play (1)
v Crystal P - Set Piece (1)
v Liverpool - Own Goal (1), Set Piece (1)
v Leicester - Pen (1), Own Goal (1)
v Wolves - Set Piece (1)

Not to mention of 3 the three goals conceded from Open Play:

-The goal conceded against WH was the last second Lanzini screamer from outside the box that will likely win goal of the season.
-The goal conceded against Brighton was scored by Lamptey after Hojbjerg was clearly fouled in the buildup. Goal probably shouldn’t have stood.
-The goal conceded against Southampton was a ball over the top to Ings where he completely ran past Dier and Sanchez’s poor defending — deserved.

spids · Jan 13, 2021

Thanks for compiling this - really informative. I have added a few comments in red below regarding the 4 goals we have conceded from open play.... But given we have only conceded those in 16 league games, and only one of those goals was when a team unlocked us, I think we can say we're pretty solid in defence. The worrying thing is the number of goals conceded from set pieces.

Beni said:
Its actually 4 in open play, but dubious whether you count Salahs big deflected shoot against Liverpool as an Own Goal or Open Play.

v Everton - Set Piece (1)
v Southampton - Pen (1), Open Play (1) - This was a high quality goal from Ings - Dier probably should have done better but it was great movement, precise pass, and a top drawer clinical finish.
v Newcastle - Pen (1)
v Man U - Pen (1)
v West Ham - Set Piece (1), Own Goal (1), Open Play (1) - This was a 1 in a 100 long range blaster straight in top bins. In the lead up to this Winks could have done better if we're splitting hairs.
v Brighton - Open Play (1) - This should have been disallowed due to a very clear foul on Hojbjerg which led directly to an overload and their subsequent goal.
v Crystal P - Set Piece (1)
v Liverpool - Open Play (1), Set Piece (1) - This was a freak goal from a massively deflected shot that span into the top corner, nothing Lloris could do.
v Leicester - Pen (1), Own Goal (1)
v Wolves - Set Piece (1)

PCozzie · Jan 13, 2021

PCozzie said:
Not really sure which thread this best goes in, but seems pertinent to discussions about how we set up under Mourhino. We have conceded the fewest goals from open play in the PL this season.

ETA: not my workings. Comes from 'Football Daily'.

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The more I think about this the more impressive it is. Notwithstanding that being this solid might affect the attractiveness and effectiveness of our attack, in 17 league matches during normal play only 3 times have opponents opened us up enough to score a goal (and a couple chucked in by Toby and Dav).

That deserves praise regardless of anything else.

wirE · Jan 13, 2021

Mourinho explains why Spurs have not revealed players that have had coronarvirus

The Tottenham Hotspur boss has been speaking about the problems that the pandemic have brought to his squad and why the club has kept it quiet

www.football.london

Mourinho told football.london that there's positive COVID results every week - staff, medic and players. It's up to the player and club to decide if they want to come forward with it.

yido_number1 · Jan 13, 2021

wirE said:
Mourinho explains why Spurs have not revealed players that have had coronarvirus

The Tottenham Hotspur boss has been speaking about the problems that the pandemic have brought to his squad and why the club has kept it quiet

www.football.london

Mourinho told football.london that there's positive COVID results every week - staff, medic and players. It's up to the player and club to decide if they want to come forward with it.

Would be very interesting to figure out who these players were. I've seen reports that Lamela and Ndombele have tested positive but can't think of any other notable absences?

Everlasting Seconds · Jan 13, 2021

yido_number1 said:
Would be very interesting to figure out who these players were. I've seen reports that Lamela and Ndombele have tested positive but can't think of any other notable absences?

Doubt you’ve seen anything other than speculation over Lamela? Ndombele yes, but that must be months ago.

chelmyid · Jan 13, 2021

Vini and Lucas are two obvious ones
Spent some time out of squad and both socialise with each other

wooderz · Jan 13, 2021

yido_number1 said:
Would be very interesting to figure out who these players were. I've seen reports that Lamela and Ndombele have tested positive but can't think of any other notable absences?

Bale? Was supposedly "sick"

Col_M · Jan 13, 2021

wirE said:
Mourinho explains why Spurs have not revealed players that have had coronarvirus

The Tottenham Hotspur boss has been speaking about the problems that the pandemic have brought to his squad and why the club has kept it quiet

www.football.london

Mourinho told football.london that there's positive COVID results every week - staff, medic and players. It's up to the player and club to decide if they want to come forward with it.

Quite right too. These are human beings and they have rights

Col_M · Jan 13, 2021

wooderz said:
Bale? Was supposedly "sick"

By that method, he has contracted CV-19 on and off for about 3 years.

wooderz · Jan 13, 2021

Col_M said:
By that method, he has contracted CV-19 on and off for about 3 years.

He did go to China to sort a move that was then cancelled right? ?

Kiedis · Jan 13, 2021

PCozzie said:
Set pieces are one area that really should be workable. And although we are actually not the worst (better than Leicester, Wolves, Man Utd and the same as Liverpool) we can tighten up there and turn 1 pointers into 3. They aren't quite 'free points' but as near as you can get.

The way we retreat at times, especially in those infamous games vs. Palace and Wolves, ensures that we concede a lot of corners and free kicks deep into our territory. So even if we defend them in a decent way, the sheer volume will generally mean that sometimes the ball bounces unfortunately. So it's maybe a trade off. Defend deep and concede less quality chances in open play (even though I'd say that distinguishing between open play goals and own goals is a bit strange, generally own goals occur due to being under pressure from decent attacks, think Davinson vs. West Ham), but risk being put under siege at times through corners, throw ins and free kicks put into the mixer.

wirE · Jan 13, 2021

yido_number1 said:
Would be very interesting to figure out who these players were. I've seen reports that Lamela and Ndombele have tested positive but can't think of any other notable absences?

One can only speculate. Tbh I'm not that eager to know, I think it goes without (almost) saying when a player is out for a short period and the manager can't say why.

Beni · Jan 13, 2021

Goals from set pieces against, is all about lack of game management that Mourinho is trying to install to the squad.
We give away silly fouls at times, especially in the full back areas, so when a team is losing against us, they're looking for free-kicks in and around our penalty box, to get an opportunity to throw in a set piece into our box. This all comes with change in mindset and awareness from our players, to not get to tight and make unnecessary tackles, where it makes our opponents decision easy by waiting for contact in order to go down.

spids · Jan 13, 2021

Beni said:
Goals from set pieces against, is all about lack of game management that Mourinho is trying to install to the squad.
We give away silly fouls at times, especially in the full back areas, so when a team is losing against us, they're looking for free-kicks in and around our penalty box, to get an opportunity to throw in a set piece into our box. This all comes with change in mindset and awareness from our players, to not get to tight and make unnecessary tackles, where it makes our opponents decision easy by waiting for contact in order to go down.

It is more than that. Several of the free kicks we have conceded from were incorrectly given. Both Aurier and Hojbjerg had ridiculous free kicks given against them out wide on our right that subsequently led to goals. Another way to avoid this is not to defend so deep for so long.

PCozzie · Jan 13, 2021

Kiedis said:
The way we retreat at times, especially in those infamous games vs. Palace and Wolves, ensures that we concede a lot of corners and free kicks deep into our territory. So even if we defend them in a decent way, the sheer volume will generally mean that sometimes the ball bounces unfortunately. So it's maybe a trade off. Defend deep and concede less quality chances in open play (even though I'd say that distinguishing between open play goals and own goals is a bit strange, generally own goals occur due to being under pressure from decent attacks, think Davinson vs. West Ham), but risk being put under siege at times through corners, throw ins and free kicks put into the mixer.

Yeah, that is a good point. Even taken together though, they amount to 9 goals in 17 matches, which is still pretty handy. I think with a defensive upgrade here and there we can reduce set piece goals further. We know Jose likes defenders to have good heading ability and I think we are probably missing 2x players with that attribute when we are defending set pieces. But it's not just the ability to head the ball, it's about having the ability and desire to track your runner and beat him for strength, or attack the space if that's your job.

Whichever way we look at it though, we don't concede many goals. Now we just need to create a bit more and it'll come together.

Beni · Jan 13, 2021

spids said:
It is more than that. Several of the free kicks we have conceded from were incorrectly given. Both Aurier and Hojbjerg had ridiculous free kicks given against them out wide on our right that subsequently led to goals. Another way to avoid this is not to defend so deep for so long.

I totally agree that they weren't, but what I am meaning, is for our players to not get contact tight with them, and give them the opportunity to fool the ref.

yido_number1 · Jan 13, 2021

Beni said:
I totally agree that they weren't, but what I am meaning, is for our players to not get contact tight with them, and give them the opportunity to fool the ref.

Would be even better if we could just find a way to keep the ball at the end of the game and stop it getting to a point where we are camping outside our own box. We've done it really well in a few games but hopefully the big players can stand up more and demand the ball get's played properly when the squad are losing their heads

Everlasting Seconds · Jan 13, 2021

I agree with all the nuances being brought to light here, and I think it's vital with a better mix from both players and coaches when taking responsibility for the in-game management of the various tactical tools. What I will add to the discussion is that we need a couple of reinforcements to see and improvement. I've stated before that I think we've already got the squad needed to finish this season with CL for next season. So I'm content with that. But looking at how to improve, I think we need probably to strengthen the central defence and midfield to add better balance to a starting line up.

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