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Player watch: Christian Eriksen

Havre

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A... getting into the CL is worth more than £40m. I think we'll struggle to qualify without him here and no direct replacement.

All about probabilities.

a) Keep Eriksen and get CL
b) Keep Eriksen and no CL
c) Lose Eriksen and get CL
d) Lose Eriksen and no CL

This is not just a case of comparing a) with d).

I disagree on replacement. Not that we played Wanyama, Dier and Eriksen much last year, if at all, but Eriksen is less needed with N'Dombele and Lo Celso than without. I hope we keep Eriksen, but for me I would much rather sell him for 40-50m than lose him for free next summer.
 

Led's Zeppelin

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All about probabilities.

a) Keep Eriksen and get CL
b) Keep Eriksen and no CL
c) Lose Eriksen and get CL
d) Lose Eriksen and no CL

This is not just a case of comparing a) with d).

I disagree on replacement. Not that we played Wanyama, Dier and Eriksen much last year, if at all, but Eriksen is less needed with N'Dombele and Lo Celso than without. I hope we keep Eriksen, but for me I would much rather sell him for 40-50m than lose him for free next summer.

No, I’d rather keep him.

We’ll be better this season with him. That’s the first priority, to be as good as we can be now, because that’s what football’s about.

And because more success on the pitch this season will have a major impact on the type of player we can recruit next year. As the signings of Ndombele and Lo Celso demonstrated.

So despite the possible £40m hit, there’ll be an important benefit both this year and in the future.

Plus, as a side-benefit, we’ll have an extra year in which to try to negotiate an extended contract with him too.
 

SdB

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All about probabilities.

a) Keep Eriksen and get CL
b) Keep Eriksen and no CL
c) Lose Eriksen and get CL
d) Lose Eriksen and no CL

This is not just a case of comparing a) with d).

I disagree on replacement. Not that we played Wanyama, Dier and Eriksen much last year, if at all, but Eriksen is less needed with N'Dombele and Lo Celso than without. I hope we keep Eriksen, but for me I would much rather sell him for 40-50m than lose him for free next summer.

Exactly this.

If Eriksen's form this year follows on from that since Jan will he really make that big a difference?
This year we have NDombele and Lo Celso to bolster our midfield and attack and I'm expecting a big change in the way we play with much quicker incisive forward passin and bursting with pace with the ball from midfield instead of the continual sweeping from side to side followed by a lame cross from the flanks that Eriksen tends to dictate.

At the end of the day Eriksen holds all the cards but if it is a choice of getting £40m to put towards another Lo Celso player in the summer and losing him for a free I'd take the cash and I'm sure Levy is in the same boat. It would be a different story if we'd had another blank transfer window, but we didn't we added 2 top quality players in the Eriksen area of play.
 

Japhet

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If Eriksen's contract runs out there's nothing to stop us offering a whopping signing on fee, bearing in mind we'd need to spend 70-80m minimum to get any sort of quality replacement. Maybe that's one of the cards he's holding onto.
 

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Atletico Madrid close to signing Rodrigo from Valencia for €60m.
Surely takes them out of the running to sign Eriksen this summer with all the cash their spending
 

Colonel Dax

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Exactly this.

If Eriksen's form this year follows on from that since Jan will he really make that big a difference?
This year we have NDombele and Lo Celso to bolster our midfield and attack and I'm expecting a big change in the way we play with much quicker incisive forward passin and bursting with pace with the ball from midfield instead of the continual sweeping from side to side followed by a lame cross from the flanks that Eriksen tends to dictate.

At the end of the day Eriksen holds all the cards but if it is a choice of getting £40m to put towards another Lo Celso player in the summer and losing him for a free I'd take the cash and I'm sure Levy is in the same boat. It would be a different story if we'd had another blank transfer window, but we didn't we added 2 top quality players in the Eriksen area of play.

It will take time for the new signings to get up to speed. Ndombele was impressive on his debut but both he and Lo Celso will take a few months to adapt to the way team plays and reach peak fitness.

With regards to Eriksen's form last year I think this can be attributed to being overworked, and the general regression of the team performance as a whole. I reckon that should his transfer not materialise before September he will buckle down and get on with it this season - similar to Modric in his final season with us. People talked all summer about how Eriksen's head had gone and that he wouldn't show commitment, but within minutes of coming on against Villa he was showing glimpses of his old self. Didn't look disinterested at all.
 

Havre

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No, I’d rather keep him.

We’ll be better this season with him. That’s the first priority, to be as good as we can be now, because that’s what football’s about.

And because more success on the pitch this season will have a major impact on the type of player we can recruit next year. As the signings of Ndombele and Lo Celso demonstrated.

So despite the possible £40m hit, there’ll be an important benefit both this year and in the future.

Plus, as a side-benefit, we’ll have an extra year in which to try to negotiate an extended contract with him too.

40m (which seems low to me) also has a significant impact on who we can recruit next year.

Not saying it is dumb to think we will be better off just losing Eriksen for free next summer, but I think it misses the point if one do not consider b) and c) as well.

I don't know why football is about being good now. By that logic why even bother buying Clarke and Sessegnon? Are any Spursfans against this?
 

SdB

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It will take time for the new signings to get up to speed. Ndombele was impressive on his debut but both he and Lo Celso will take a few months to adapt to the way team plays and reach peak fitness.

With regards to Eriksen's form last year I think this can be attributed to being overworked, and the general regression of the team performance as a whole. I reckon that should his transfer not materialise before September he will buckle down and get on with it this season - similar to Modric in his final season with us. People talked all summer about how Eriksen's head had gone and that he wouldn't show commitment, but within minutes of coming on against Villa he was showing glimpses of his old self. Didn't look disinterested at all.

I should hope he looked interested on £75k per week.
 

Led's Zeppelin

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40m (which seems low to me) also has a significant impact on who we can recruit next year.

Not saying it is dumb to think we will be better off just losing Eriksen for free next summer, but I think it misses the point if one do not consider b) and c) as well.

I don't know why football is about being good now. By that logic why even bother buying Clarke and Sessegnon? Are any Spursfans against this?

It’s not exclusively about being good now, in the sense of avoiding investment in the future, but for Spurs especially there’s the sense that we need to consolidate our position and reputation as a top team. That means becoming consistently successful on the pitch.

We can’t really afford to slip out of the top 4 and/or fail to make a big impression in the CL. The clamour for trophies won’t subside.

We have the potential to be a truly dominant club. We can’t allow £40m to dominate our thinking when it comes to a full season of crucially important football, more crucial to THFC than to many of our more recently successful competitors.

I’d like Eriksen to be part of this season’s efforts. We need all the best players we can get, and he is one of the very best.
 

Havre

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It’s not exclusively about being good now, in the sense of avoiding investment in the future, but for Spurs especially there’s the sense that we need to consolidate our position and reputation as a top team. That means becoming consistently successful on the pitch.

We can’t really afford to slip out of the top 4 and/or fail to make a big impression in the CL. The clamour for trophies won’t subside.

We have the potential to be a truly dominant club. We can’t allow £40m to dominate our thinking when it comes to a full season of crucially important football, more crucial to THFC than to many of our more recently successful competitors.

I’d like Eriksen to be part of this season’s efforts. We need all the best players we can get, and he is one of the very best.

And still we might drop out even with Eriksen. Again - probabilities. To me you seem almost obsessed with d). Personally I don't think Eriksen improves our likelihood of getting top 4 that much - I believe we will end up top 4 regardless. As for us being a "truly dominant club" I really don't see how losing Eriksen for free makes us that.

If I fear anything it would be outcome b). At least with 40m in the bank we could still by a very good player next summer to try to push us back in to the top 4. That is more than half way to Pepe. It is not insignificant.
 

Martin91

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Lets say Eriksen does stay but does not sign a new deal with us
Come January he will have a pre agreement with someone in Europe ready to join next summer with the way poch is with player commitment ( Walker & Toby ) being left out of the team do we really see him being picked past January ?
 

Havre

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Lets say Eriksen does stay but does not sign a new deal with us
Come January he will have a pre agreement with someone in Europe ready to join next summer with the way poch is with player commitment ( Walker & Toby ) being left out of the team do we really see him being picked past January ?

Also something that has to be considered.

Eriksen plays and Lo Celso is on the bench?

Not saying Lo Celso would do anything irrational about it, but it would have to feel a bit strange missing out on big games in that manner.
 

Led's Zeppelin

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And still we might drop out even with Eriksen. Again - probabilities. To me you seem almost obsessed with d). Personally I don't think Eriksen improves our likelihood of getting top 4 that much - I believe we will end up top 4 regardless. As for us being a "truly dominant club" I really don't see how losing Eriksen for free makes us that.

If I fear anything it would be outcome b). At least with 40m in the bank we could still by a very good player next summer to try to push us back in to the top 4. That is more than half way to Pepe. It is not insignificant.

There’s no point in trying to discuss alternatives if you start using words like “obsessed”. Please don’t do it.

The point is I place a different weight on his value from you. I think his value to the team this season is more than the £40m at stake. You don’t. That’s just a difference of opinion and we’ll never know the right answer for certain since we can’t have the two alternatives running to be able to make the comparison.

In my opinion, he makes us a considerably better team, and is an important part of the reason why finishing top 4 is now a minimum requirement for us and not a sufficient target in itself.

Being able to afford half of a Arsenal player wouldn’t be much consolation for losing him!
 

Martin91

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Also something that has to be considered.

Eriksen plays and Lo Celso is on the bench?

Not saying Lo Celso would do anything irrational about it, but it would have to feel a bit strange missing out on big games in that manner.


Exactly if he does not sign a new deal and stays what is that saying not only to Celso but also Dele Son Lucas, it could turn into more of a problem keeping him without him tied down to a contract past next summer
 

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Exactly if he does not sign a new deal and stays what is that saying not only to Celso but also Dele Son Lucas, it could turn into more of a problem keeping him without him tied down to a contract past next summer

If we do as well as we need to do in the CL as well as the PL, we’ll need all those players.
 

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Madrid still haven’t signed Van De Beek or Neymar.

I’m worried they may still come in for CE.

It would be a huge blow this season. We look light in AM without him.
 

Martin91

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If we do as well as we need to do in the CL as well as the PL, we’ll need all those players.

But we also need them to be fully committed to the club and giving 100% in every game i would much rather him stay and sign a new deal but if not i think poch is going to have an interesting dilemma look at how he froze toby out for a while
 

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And still we might drop out even with Eriksen. Again - probabilities. To me you seem almost obsessed with d). Personally I don't think Eriksen improves our likelihood of getting top 4 that much - I believe we will end up top 4 regardless. As for us being a "truly dominant club" I really don't see how losing Eriksen for free makes us that.

If I fear anything it would be outcome b). At least with 40m in the bank we could still by a very good player next summer to try to push us back in to the top 4. That is more than half way to Pepe. It is not insignificant.

Has someone that Eriksen wants to play for offered 40m? Eriksen holds the cards now with less than a year on his contract. For me, he has been a professional the entire time he has been here. Even since Jan, he put in a shift each match though he was consistently having to play deeper and do more work defensively. I expect he was getting pretty leggy the last couple of months which makes it tough to have the same first touch or same quality on your passes.

I do not think we will get more than 25-30m for him this summer as both Real and Barca (if they want him) will feel they are big enough to get him to come on a free based on the wages they can pay. I for one hope we sign him to a new deal.
 

Colonel Dax

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Also something that has to be considered.

Eriksen plays and Lo Celso is on the bench?

Not saying Lo Celso would do anything irrational about it, but it would have to feel a bit strange missing out on big games in that manner.

They can play together in the same team ☺️
 
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